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Road Rage in the Southland

I would have reacted too if a leather clad biker had tried to smash my back doors in.
 
Matthew Best said:
Yeah, he reacted. He reacted by trying to run the bike driver into the central divider and cause him physical damage in doing so. He deserves no sympathy.
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Actually it is hard for me to tell from the video. Is it clear that the driver was not just startled and instinctively pulled the wheel to the left when he felt the kick pushing (very slightly of course) to the right?
 
Matthew Best said:
Yeah, he reacted. He reacted by trying to run the bike driver into the central divider and cause him physical damage in doing so. He deserves no sympathy.
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Have you no sympathy? There the poor driver was, innocently attempting to murder someone, and then disaster ensues! Out of nowhere, really. Act of god. Could have happened to anyone at any time.
 
After the tussle, right before the car t-bones the guard wall you can see damage to the side of the car. I do not know whether it is from the first nudge (not filmed), the kick (probably not) or when he drives into the motorcyclist the second time.


ETA: whole video has kind of a cool T-2 vibe to it though ...
 
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Giordano said:
Just for clarification: you're referring to the kick distracting and/or angering the driver? ...
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That or the fact the kick frightened the inexperienced driver who jerked the wheel in response.

The driver said he thought he saw a knife. Could be he made it up. Could be he got pissed back, any number of things, but yes, the kick set off the sequence.
 
Matthew Best said:
Yeah, he reacted. He reacted by trying to run the bike driver into the central divider and cause him physical damage in doing so. He deserves no sympathy.
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The question at hand was not about sympathy or blame, it was about the initiating event in the crash sequence.


As to blame, without knowing the circumstances in which the cycle was initially bumped, it's hard to determine blame. If the biker's unsafe passing of the Nissan resulted in the driver not seeing him, blame is shared and to divide it into proportions, it depends on how hard it was for the driver to see the cycle when he changed lanes.

As far as the road rage, however, the cycle rider initiates that and has blame. If the Nissan driver turned into the bike to get back at the rider, the driver bore equal blame. If it was accidental or reflexive, then the driver's inexperience also laid some of the blame on the driver.
 
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The driver of the car should be charged with attepted murder ... if an idiot dents your car you can't you can't respond by trying to kill him 😕
 
BStrong said:
But anecdotal evidence suggests many drivers are uncomfortable with, or irritated by, lane-splitting.
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Yeah but they ALL are very comfortable doing it themselves.... Cars lane split ME every time I ride my bicycle its the exact same thing
 
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I don't see any evidence to support the idea that the driver is telling the absolute truth about the incident.

I seriously doubt that the motorcyclist kicking the car "caused" the driver to swerve in the manner visible in the video.

Especially since the following vehicle had already seen an incident between that driver and the motorcyclist.

Nor do I see any evidence that the motorcyclist was a "biker" (AKA a member of a motorcycle gang) unless that term is being used in its most generic manner (i.e. someone riding a motorcycle).
 
Yeggster said:
The driver of the car should be charged with attepted murder ... if an idiot dents your car you can't you can't respond by trying to kill him 😕
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And if you think the biker is threatening your life, would it be a self defense move?

How about if the Nissan driver pulled a gun and shot the rider, would that make self-defense a legit move?

Not saying it was self defense, but that is what the driver is claiming. Just wondering if all the people who often agree with the self defense claims when a gun is involved see this differently.
 
It appears to me that the driver deliberately tried to swerve into the biker after the kick, then lost it and pranged big time. I don't really buy the "inexperienced driver panicked" line. I'd have thought that a panicked reflex would cause him to turn the other way.

Just curious: what would have caused that large orange fireball (?) just at the point of collision with the wall?
 
novaphile said:
I don't see any evidence to support the idea that the driver is telling the absolute truth about the incident.

I seriously doubt that the motorcyclist kicking the car "caused" the driver to swerve in the manner visible in the video.

Especially since the following vehicle had already seen an incident between that driver and the motorcyclist.

Nor do I see any evidence that the motorcyclist was a "biker" (AKA a member of a motorcycle gang) unless that term is being used in its most generic manner (i.e. someone riding a motorcycle).
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For the record, I'm just using biker/rider and driver as shorthand, nothing else intended.

As for the rest of your conclusions, I notice you've drawn a conclusion about the initial 'bump' for which we have no way of knowing much about. It was the witness who felt it was important to mention the lane skirting.

And I don't see any posts asserting the driver is definitely truthful and credible. I think both bear some blame but in which proportions is impossible to determine given we have a lot of missing information that could tilt the balance in different directions.
 
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