Road Rage in the Southland

[marplots]

Just curious: what would have caused that large orange fireball (?) just at the point of collision with the wall?

Fireball =heat energy escaping. 4,000lb car, 70 mph, hit guard rail= energy++++ No flammables needed.

That's interesting. I find myself doubtful.

 

[BStrong]

That's interesting. I find myself doubtful.

Metal grinding on concrete or asphalt will create a shower of sparks exactly as in the video.

Earlier in the thread a couple of videos of riders lowsiding on Edwards corner on Mulholland drive.

In the second vid w/ the H-D rider you can see the trail of sparks from when the frame on his bike made contact.

Here's an article about the festivities.

https://www.wired.com/2014/02/mulholland-the-snake/

 

[applecorped]

That's interesting. I find myself doubtful.

Not thermite, nope.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The guy who recorded the video is now speaking out. He claims the car driver hit the motorcyclist before any of this happened.



http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-93929641/

This was discussed upthread but your source adds what some of us thought, the initial bump was an accident and much as I understand the driver was responsible to see that the lane was clear, most people on motorcycles know that sometimes they are invisible to drivers even when a driver looks. It's why a lot of bike riders use their headlights in the day and are very cautious of people turning left across their lane.

IOW, defensive riding would have gone a long way here.

 

[BStrong]

Rider behaving badly

Local nutjob arrested:

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/06/25/eye-in-the-sky-chp-helicopter-video-nabs-motorcyclist/

The motorcycle appears to be speeding in the video, and the CHP says it was going “well over 100 mph.” It also gets dangerously close to cars on the highway, and the agency said it smashed at least one side view mirror. Poole also punched and hit several other cars, Correia said.

“This rider led the ‘Air-Ops’ team and our ground units straight to his house, where we were waiting for him,” the CHP said in a statement.

Evidently this rider was doing the same thing within the last week, but wasn't nabbed.

 

[applecorped]

Local nutjob arrested:

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/06/25/eye-in-the-sky-chp-helicopter-video-nabs-motorcyclist/

The motorcycle appears to be speeding in the video, and the CHP says it was going “well over 100 mph.” It also gets dangerously close to cars on the highway, and the agency said it smashed at least one side view mirror. Poole also punched and hit several other cars, Correia said.

“This rider led the ‘Air-Ops’ team and our ground units straight to his house, where we were waiting for him,” the CHP said in a statement.

Evidently this rider was doing the same thing within the last week, but wasn't nabbed.

But, but......he is the victim!!!

 

[Ron Swanson]

In this Incident on October 17, 2015 the car driver ended up with a 15 year jail sentence after purposely swerving to hit a motorcycle.... impact takes place at 20 seconds or so.

https://youtu.be/LreWfR_p__M

 

[Giordano]

I await more information but currently I am convinced that the motorist and the motorcyclist in the OP are both crazy and should both be prevented from driving in the future.

 

[Giordano]

I've seen a number of videos of motorcycle crashes, etc. and although I realize that many result in death or severe injury, perhaps what surprises me is that not all do. Even with protective clothing and helmets, I would image that being tossed or dumped from a bike at any speed above 15 mph would inevitably put the cyclist into a hospital or morgue. By comparison, many people become seriously injured even when they are belted in a car, surrounded by steel and air bags. How is it that a motorcyclist can fly through the air, skid and roll multiple times on the pavement for 100s of feet, and then stand up? Again, I fully realize that standing up doesn't mean that he individual is not seriously hurt. But they aren't dead.

 

[theprestige]

Seems like both the rider and the driver are horrible people whose privileges on public roads should be suspended indefinitely.

 

[BStrong]

I've seen a number of videos of motorcycle crashes, etc. and although I realize that many result in death or severe injury, perhaps what surprises me is that not all do. Even with protective clothing and helmets, I would image that being tossed or dumped from a bike at any speed above 15 mph would inevitably put the cyclist into a hospital or morgue. By comparison, many people become seriously injured even when they are belted in a car, surrounded by steel and air bags. How is it that a motorcyclist can fly through the air, skid and roll multiple times on the pavement for 100s of feet, and then stand up? Again, I fully realize that standing up doesn't mean that he individual is not seriously hurt. But they aren't dead.

Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a post of mine in a different thread where I describe being rear-ended while riding.

I was thrown into a parked vehicle and was lucky enough that I walked away.

I was actually hurt worse in this accident than when I crashed at a track day at Laguna Seca. I highsided at over 100 mph and the only injury I sustained (other than totaling a rare bike) was a scratch on the side of my nose.

Good riding gear is worth more than it's weight in gold.

 

[BStrong]

Seems like both the rider and the driver are horrible people whose privileges on public roads should be suspended indefinitely.

1st degree stupidity should be a lawful charge in many incidents involving motor vehicles.

In this case, I agree - both the driver and the rider should get their DL's pulled.

 

[mgidm86]

I've seen a number of videos of motorcycle crashes, etc. and although I realize that many result in death or severe injury, perhaps what surprises me is that not all do. Even with protective clothing and helmets, I would image that being tossed or dumped from a bike at any speed above 15 mph would inevitably put the cyclist into a hospital or morgue. By comparison, many people become seriously injured even when they are belted in a car, surrounded by steel and air bags. How is it that a motorcyclist can fly through the air, skid and roll multiple times on the pavement for 100s of feet, and then stand up? Again, I fully realize that standing up doesn't mean that he individual is not seriously hurt. But they aren't dead.

Helmets.

If people wore helmets when driving a car the death rate would be much lower. I think it's crazy that we don't.

Maybe helmets should be a thing? Get an insurance break if you wear one at least. I guess a nice hairdo is worth dying over? Why isn't this even a consideration? It seems so stupid not to.

I think driving cars without helmets is just as stupid as riding without one, but we all do it. I mean we are even supposed to wear them on a bicycle, but not in a car doing 75 mph?

Maybe I'll drive around with a helmet for a bit and video it with my GoPro - see the people around me and how they react. They might get out of my way if they see that!

Seriously, I could do it as an experiment. Helmet, gloves, dark face shield (if legal). Hmmmmm

 

[BStrong]

Helmets.

If people wore helmets when driving a car the death rate would be much lower. I think it's crazy that we don't.

Maybe helmets should be a thing? Get an insurance break if you wear one at least. I guess a nice hairdo is worth dying over? Why isn't this even a consideration? It seems so stupid not to.

I think driving cars without helmets is just as stupid as riding without one, but we all do it. I mean we are even supposed to wear them on a bicycle, but not in a car doing 75 mph?

Maybe I'll drive around with a helmet for a bit and video it with my GoPro - see the people around me and how they react. They might get out of my way if they see that!

Seriously, I could do it as an experiment. Helmet, gloves, dark face shield (if legal). Hmmmmm

The dynamics of a PV crash is different than a motorcycle crash for obvious reasons.

The use of a helmet while driving a PV at typical commute speeds may prevent superficial head injuries that occur when the vehicle is struck by another vehicle, but in a hit where the impact was significant, the typical thoracic injuries that account for approx. 25% (iirc) of traffic fatalities wouldn't be mitigated by the use of a helmet. Very few fatal PV accidents involve a head injury only. Since that's the case, I doubt that requiring them for PV drivers would save a substantial number of lives.

If PV's were required to have a significant roll cage installed, that would protect the driver from anything short of a loaded Semi, Train or fire, but I don't see Joe Lunch Box putting up with having to squeeze himself into and out of a caged car to go to work.

For track day use or racing, helmets are a must have, fire suits are a must have and if your car is fast or quick enough, a cage is a must have.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a post of mine in a different thread where I describe being rear-ended while riding.

I was thrown into a parked vehicle and was lucky enough that I walked away.

I was actually hurt worse in this accident than when I crashed at a track day at Laguna Seca. I highsided at over 100 mph and the only injury I sustained (other than totaling a rare bike) was a scratch on the side of my nose.

Good riding gear is worth more than it's weight in gold.

I second the final sentence. I've been knocked off a few times over the years between 30 and 70mph. I walked or rode away from all but one (the only one that wound me up in hospital).

 

[BStrong]

I second the final sentence. I've been knocked off a few times over the years between 30 and 70mph. I walked or rode away from all but one (the only one that wound me up in hospital).

When I observe a rider that has minimal or no safety gear on, it actually gives me a chill.

This story goes back 20 + years and I whipped out the google fu but no link.

Kid gets call from the gf, come over and we'll go swimming.

Shorts, T-shirt, flip flops, helmet, no gloves.

Predictably, kid goes down. No broken bones, low speed, road rash. Kid is treated, the medicos send him home.

Kid lays down. Kid wakes up. High fever. Parents take kid to hospital, kid has rip roaring infection, dies within 48 hours.

Wear protective gear, period.

 

[BStrong]

That wasn't what the driver is claiming, he said the rider looked to have a knife. Don't the courts consider what threat the person self-defending person believed? Certainly that's how murdering cops are judged innocent.

I'm seeing an inconsistent view of self defense with a gun vs some other method here.

Now would be the ideal time to link to an incident of a drive-by knifing on the freeway at speed.

A driver in a moving vehicle is not at threat from another driver brandishing a knife. Such an incident should be reported if encountered, but using any type of potentially lethal force, whether a motor vehicle a firearm or anything else is a pretty much guaranteed to result in an indictment of one type or another.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Now would be the ideal time to link to an incident of a drive-by knifing on the freeway at speed.

A driver in a moving vehicle is not at threat from another driver brandishing a knife. Such an incident should be reported if encountered, but using any type of potentially lethal force, whether a motor vehicle a firearm or anything else is a pretty much guaranteed to result in an indictment of one type or another.

You are addressing straw men of your own making.

My argument, we don't know what was in the mind of the driver.
We don't know if he acted reflexively turning into the rider.

Neither of those statements depends on the assertion that technically the biker was no threat to the driver.

 

[a_unique_person]

My post from another thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11890026&postcount=130

There is a study on the practice of lane splitting by motorcyclists:

http://www.ots.ca.gov/pdf/Publicatio...afety-2015.pdf

Result in a nutshell. Lane splitting is safe. The higher the speed differential between the motorcyclist and passenger vehicle, the greater the risk.

LA Times article:

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...729-story.html

But anecdotal evidence suggests many drivers are uncomfortable with, or irritated by, lane-splitting.

So does research.

More than three-quarters of drivers interviewed for a 2012 study conducted by the California Office for Traffic Safety said they thought lane-splitting was unsafe. Almost half thought it was illegal. Two-thirds said they disapproved, and 7% admitted they had swerved to block a motorcycle trying to lane-split.

IME, that 7% may be grossly low.

I don't know know any rider who lane splits that hasn't had the experience of a passenger vehicle driver either trying to block them, or actually succeeding - a driver will pull halfway into the adjoining lane to block the rider from passing.

It's not just a male ego thing either. I've been on the receiving end of female road rage more than once.

From the same thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11895112&postcount=160

That bike is very wide to be doing lane splitting.

 

[a_unique_person]

This was discussed upthread but your source adds what some of us thought, the initial bump was an accident and much as I understand the driver was responsible to see that the lane was clear, most people on motorcycles know that sometimes they are invisible to drivers even when a driver looks. It's why a lot of bike riders use their headlights in the day and are very cautious of people turning left across their lane.

IOW, defensive riding would have gone a long way here.

It's the law here. I have to say or makes a difference for making bikes easier to see.