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What does Battleground know that every single other polling agency doesn't?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/BG_2-way-ballot-trender-9-25.pdf

They're the last holdout that still has McCain ahead. Likely voters, too.

I think its what they don't know. I believe they are not assigning a proper weighting to the various age groups. See, none of these polls are raw numbers of the persons called - all pollsters know that they must weight their results based on the ability to reach certain groups and the likelihood that members of that group really will vote.
 
I think its what they don't know. I believe they are not assigning a proper weighting to the various age groups. See, none of these polls are raw numbers of the persons called - all pollsters know that they must weight their results based on the ability to reach certain groups and the likelihood that members of that group really will vote.


Maybe not all pollsters know it. FiveThirtyEight.com has an interesting piece (from Thursday) on a pollster named Ann Seltzer. She says she knows of one prominent polling firm that doesn't weight age groups at all. She thinks some pollsters may be underestimating the youth vote and possibly the black vote.
 
Tonight is the last, best chance for McCain to re-gain the lead. The debate is going forward, it's on foreign policy. McCain is good in the debate format, he should blow Obama away on foreign policy.

In my opinion, if McCain doesn't see a bounce from the debates (which we'd see starting around Tuesday's polls) then he won't win the election. I think with Obama up by 3-5 points everywhere, or more, and with the HUGE audience that will watch, I think he has to make his stand here or else he's done.

And I think he will make a stand here, I think this is a subject Republicans have always done well on, and Obama struggles at times in debates.

I'd say this is the most important event since the primaries ended.
 
It really baffles me that I keep hearing of McCain being good in a debate setting. I can't see how is a good or even adequate debater.

I'll take Obama's 'investigate more of Bill's dancing ability' and 'Hillary I look forward to you advising me' over McCain's awkward, face-down style any day.
 
The State of The Interesting States for today ...

Kerry States in play:

Michigan (17)
September 25 - Strategic Vision (R): Obama by 3 (48%-45%)
September 25 - Detroit Free Press: Obama by 13 (51%-38%)
September 25 - National Journal/FD: Obama by 8 (47%-39%)
September 25 - NBC/Mason-Dixon: Tied (46%-46%)
September 25 - EPIC-MRA: Obama by 10 (48%-38%)
September 24 - CNN/Time: Obama by 5 (51%-46%)
September 24 - MRG of Lansing: McCain by 3 (46%-43%)
September 23 - Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP: Obama by 4 (48%-44%)
September 22 - FOX News/Rasmussen: Obama by 7 (51%-44%)
September 18 - Big10 Battleground: Obama by 4 (48%-44%)

Minnesota (10)
September 23 - Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP: Obama by 2 (47%-45%)
September 22 - Rasmussen: Obama by 8 (52%-44%)
September 21 - ARG: Obama by 1 (48%-47%)
September 18 - Big10 Battleground: Obama by 2 (47%-45%)

New Hampshire (4)
September 25 - Research 2000: Obama by 4 (48%-44%)
September 25 - 7News/Suffolk: Obama by 1 (46%-45%)
September 25 - Strategic Vision (R): Obama by 1 (46%-45%)
September 25 - National Journal/FD: Obama by 1 (44%-43%)
September 24 - Marist: Obama by 6 (51%-45%)
September 24 - Rasmussen: McCain by 2 (49%-47%)
September 22 - University of New Hampshire: McCain by 2 (47%-45%)

Pennsylvania (21)
September 26 - Morning Call: Obama by 4 (47%-43%)
September 25 - Rasmussen: Obama by 4 (49%-45%)
September 25 - National Journal/FD: Obama by 2 (43%-41%)
September 25 - SurveyUSA: Obama by 6 (50%-44%)
September 24 - CNN/Time: Obama by 9 (53%-44%)
September 24 - Strategic Vision (R): Obama by 1 (47%-46%)
September 23 - ARG: Obama by 4 (50%-46%)
September 22 - NBC/Mason-Dixon: Obama by 2 (46%-44%)
September 22 - FOX News/Rasmussen: Obama by 3 (48%-45%)
September 19 - Marist: Obama by 5 (49%-44%)
September 18 - Big10 Battleground: Tied (45%-45%)

Wisconsin (10)
September 25 - Research 2000: Obama by 6 (49%-43%)
September 23 - Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP: Obama by 7 (49%-42%)
September 22 - ARG: Obama by 5 (50%-45%)
September 18 - Big10 Battleground: Obama by 1 (45%-44%)



Bush States in play:

Colorado (9)
September 24 - CNN/Time: Obama by 4 (51%-47%)
September 24 - Rasmussen: Obama by 3 (50%-47%)
September 24 - InAdv/PollPosition: Obama by 9 (51%-42%)
September 23 - PPP (D): Obama by 7 (51%-44%)
September 23 - Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP: Obama by 4 (49%-45%)
September 18 - InAdv/PollPosition : Obama by 10 (51%-41%)
September 18 - National Journal/FD: Obama by 1 (45%-44%)

Florida (27)
September 26 - Rasmussen: McCain by 1 (48%-47%)
September 24 - Strategic Vision (R): McCain by 3 (48%-45%)
September 23 - NBC/Mason-Dixon: Obama by 2 (47%-45%)
September 22 - FOX News/Rasmussen: McCain by 5 (51%-46%)
September 21 - Sun-Sentinel/R2000: McCain by 1 (46%-45%)
September 21 - Miami Herald/SP Times: McCain by 2 (47%-45%)
September 18 - National Journal/FD: Tied (44%-44%)

Indiana (11)
September 19 - Rasmussen: McCain by 2 (49%-47%)
September 18 - Big10 Battleground: McCain by 4 (47%-43%)
September 18 - Indy Star/Selzer: Obama by 3 (47%-44%)

Iowa (7)
September 24 - Marist: Obama by 10 (51%-41%)
September 21 - Quad-City Times/R2000: Obama by 14 (53%-39%)
September 21 - ARG: Obama by 7 (51%-44%)
September 19 - SurveyUSA: Obama by 11 (54%-43%)
September 18 - Big10 Battleground: Tied (45%-45%)

Nevada (5)
September 22 - Suffolk University: McCain by 1 (46%-45%)
September 17 - Project NewWest: Obama by 2 (47%-45%)

New Mexico (5)
September 22 - PPP (D): Obama by 11 (53%-42%)
September 18 - SurveyUSA: Obama by 8 (52%-44%)
September 18 - National Journal/FD: Obama by 7 (49%-42%)

North Carolina (15)
September 25 - Rasmussen: Obama by 2 (49%-47%)
September 22 - Rasmussen: McCain by 3 (50%-47%)
September 22 - Civitas/TelOpinion (R): Tied (45%-45%)

Ohio (20)
September 25 - Rasmussen: McCain by 1 (47%-46%)
September 23 - InAdv/PollPosition: Tied (46%-46%)
September 22 - FOX News/Rasmussen: McCain by 4 (50%-46%)
September 21 - Ohio Newspaper Poll: McCain by 6 (48%-42%)
September 19 - Marist: Obama by 2 (47%-45%)

Virginia (13)
September 26 - Rasmussen: Obama by 5 (50%-45%)
September 24 - NBC/Mason-Dixon: McCain by 3 (47%-44%)
September 22 - SurveyUSA: Obama by 6 (51%-45%)
September 22 - ABC News/Wash Post: Obama by 3 (49%-46%)
September 22 - FOX News/Rasmussen: McCain by 2 (50%-48%)
September 21 - ARG: McCain by 2 (48%-46%)






Latest National Polls:

September 26 - Gallup Tracking: Obama by 3 (48%-45%)
September 26 - Hotline/FD Tracking: Obama by 7 (49%-42%)
September 26 - Rasmussen Tracking: Obama by 5 (50%-45%)
September 26 - GW/Battleground Tracking: McCain by 2 (48%-46%)

September 25 - CBS News/NY Times: Obama by 5 (47%-42%)
September 25 - F&M/Hearst-Argyle: McCain by 2 (47%-45%)
September 24 - NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl: Obama by 2 (48%-46%)
September 24 - LA Times/Bloomberg: Obama by 4 (49%-45%)
September 24 - Fox News: Obama by 6 (45%-39%)
September 24 - ABC News/Wash Post: Obama by 9 (52%-43%)
September 24 - Ipsos-McClatchy: Obama by 1 (44%-43%)
September 22 - CNN/Opinion Research: Obama by 3 (48%-45%-Nader 4%-Barr 1%)
September 18 - Pew Research: Tied (46%-46%)


I may be adding Missouri to the "Bush States in play" list:

Missouri (11)
September 26 - SurveyUSA: McCain by 2 (48%-46%)
September 26 - Post-Dispatch/R2000: McCain by 1 (47%-46%)
 
First Poll Results on the Debate

Here's the first of the polling data available on the debate that I've been able to find...

AFP: McCain, Obama battle on economy, war in first debate

... An instant telephone poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. scored a decisive win for Obama among 524 debate watchers. Asked who did the better job, 51 percent said Obama and 38 percent said McCain.

The Democrat had a yawning lead of 58-37 percent on handling the economy, and a narrower edge of 52-47 percent on the Iraq war, the pollsters said.

Another snap poll by CBS News and Knowledge Networks of about 500 uncommitted voters had 39 percent saying Obama was the winner against 24 percent for McCain. A total of 37 percent said it was a draw. ...


This is the only real polling data I've seen so far, and I'll be watching closely for more, as well as the reaction in the prediction markets in the days to come. However, my sense is that, especially from the second poll of non-committed voters (an important bloc), this debate seems to have been more in Obama's favor than McCain's.

If that bears out in the polling over the weekend, and even if it is viewed mostly as a draw, that is very bad for McCain. As I have said many times before now, given the current political landscape, McCain has to blow Obama away in the debates - and tonight he didn't do that.
 
The latest from the prediction markets...

IEM-WTA
Obama 62.5
McCain 37.5

IEM-Vote Share
Obama 52.8
McCain 47.0

NewsFutures
Obama 54
McCain 46

Intrade***
Obama 56.0
McCain 44.5

***These Intrade numbers are more consistent with the other markets now in the trends and patterns. I'm still viewing them with a bit of a grain of salt, however.
 
Rasmussen has Obama up by 6 today (50%-44%) ...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

This six-point advantage matches Obama’s biggest lead yet (see trends). Obama is now viewed favorably by 56% of voters, McCain by 54%.

The overwhelming majority of interviews for today’s report were completed before last night’s Presidential debate. Tomorrow morning’s update may give a hint of the debate reaction but the first update based entirely upon interviews conducted after the debate will come on Tuesday.
 
If that bears out in the polling over the weekend, and even if it is viewed mostly as a draw, that is very bad for McCain. As I have said many times before now, given the current political landscape, McCain has to blow Obama away in the debates - and tonight he didn't do that.

One of the Fox commentators pointed out that the late polling tends to amplify the advantage of the early polling. They explained this by people who watched the debate telling their friends who won and those people passing it on. So early polling of Reagan-Mondale had a slight Reagan lead, but later polling had a much wider lead. Reagan's advantage in sound bites may have helped here as well. This the lack of major sound bites in this debate may blunt the effect.
 
The latest from the prediction markets...

IEM-WTA
Obama 64.0
McCain 36.9

IEM-Vote Share
Obama 53.1
McCain 47.2

NewsFutures
Obama 58
McCain 42

Intrade
Obama 57.6
McCain 42.0

All the major markets are showing the same trends - Obama is rising, and McCain is falling. This is especially troubling for McCain because in last night's debate it was his best opportunity to make a big gain on Obama (the main topic was foreign policy, McCain's strength). The fact that he didn't dominate Obama in the debate is being reflected in the markets.

I feel that, barring some amazingly bad gaffe on Obama's part, McCain might be slipping beyond any chance of victory in November. We shall see.
 
Here's a nice graph of the daily trackers with an average:

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McCain's campaign suspension was a pretty bad idea.
 
Obama has gone from -1 to +5 in 16 days, and not based on any one big event but on a gradual pickup of about 0.5 points per day. Certainly encouraging for the Obama camp.
 
There's a pretty good analysis of the post-debate polling over at FiveThirtyEight.com...

Why Voters Thought Obama Won

TPM has the internals of the CNN poll of debate-watchers, which had Obama winning overall by a margin of 51-38. The poll suggests that Obama is opening up a gap on connectedness, while closing a gap on readiness.

Specifically, by a 62-32 margin, voters thought that Obama was “more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you”. This is a gap that has no doubt grown because of the financial crisis of recent days. But it also grew because Obama was actually speaking to middle class voters. Per the transcript, McCain never once mentioned the phrase “middle class” (Obama did so three times). And Obama’s eye contact was directly with the camera, i.e. the voters at home. McCain seemed to be speaking literally to the people in the room in Mississippi, but figuratively to the punditry. It is no surprise that a small majority of pundits seemed to have thought that McCain won, even when the polls indicated otherwise; the pundits were his target audience. ...

... My other annoyance with the punditry is that they seem to weight all segments of the debate equally. There were eight segments in this debate: bailout, economy, spending, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, terrorism. The pundit consensus seems to be that Obama won the segments on the bailout, the economy, and Iraq, drew the segment on Afghanistan, and lost the other four. So, McCain wins 4-3, right? Except that, voters don’t weight these issues anywhere near evenly. In Peter Hart’s recent poll for NBC, 43 percent of voters listed the economy or the financial crisis as their top priority, 12 percent Iraq, and 13 percent terrorism or other foreign policy issues. What happens if we give Obama two out of three economic voters (corresponding to the fact that he won two out of the three segments on the economy), and the Iraq voters, but give McCain all the “other foreign policy” voters?

Issue Priority Obama McCain
Economy 43 --> 29 14
Iraq 12 --> 12 0
Foreign Policy 13 --> 0 13
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Total 41 27

By this measure, Obama “won” by 14 points, which almost exactly his margin in the CNN poll. ...

... The CBS poll of undecideds has more confirmatory detail. Obama went from a +18 on "understanding your needs and problems" before the debate to a +56 (!) afterward. And he went from a -9 on "prepared to be president" to a +21.


It'll be interesting to see how this all bears out in the polling and prediction markets in the days to come. As for the markets, the debate seems to have only benefited Obama, with him widening the gap in all markets I've seen since last night.
 
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There's a pretty good analysis of the post-debate polling over at FiveThirtyEight.com...

Why Voters Thought Obama Won

It'll be interesting to see how this all bears out in the polling and prediction markets in the days to come. As for the markets, the debate seems to have only benefited Obama, with him widening the gap in all markets I've seen since last night.

The only question for Obama that was important in this debate was whether independent voters thought he was ready to be president. This answers that question:

And he went from a -9 on "prepared to be president" to a +21.
Ironically, it comes down to a question of tactics vs. strategy. Obama could have "lost" on most of the questions and still won the battle by convincing the voters he had the knowledge and temperament to lead the country. McCain needed not only to win debating points but to convince the viewers that Obama was naive, inexperienced, uninformed, and dangerous. He failed.

I think Obama has passed his last major hurdle. It will be very difficult for McCain to come back: Obama just doesn't have another major weakness to exploit.
 
Rasmussen today: Obama +6 (50-44)
Same as yesterday

This six-point advantage matches Obama’s biggest lead yet and marks the first time he has held such a lead for two-days running (see trends). Obama is now viewed favorably by 57% of voters, McCain by 55%.
Roughly one-third of the interviews for today’s report were completed after the Friday night Presidential debate.
Obama now leads by sixteen points among women but trails by six among men. Obama and McCain are essentially even among White Women, a constituency that George W. Bush won by eleven points four years ago. Obama is now supported by 13% of Republicans, McCain by 11% of Democrats. For most of the year, McCain enjoyed more crossover support than Obama (see recent demographic highlights and trends).
 
Gallup today: Obama +8 (50-42)
Up 3 from yesterday. Ouch.

These results, from Sept. 25-27, span the time period since John McCain made the announcement that he was temporarily suspending his campaign and returning to Washington to work for a bipartisan solution to the financial crisis, and since Congressional leaders first announced progress towards the resolution of a financial bailout bill. The results also include one complete day (Saturday) after the first presidential debate on Friday night. McCain had reached a point where he was tied with Obama earlier in the week, but Obama has gained steadily in each of the last three days' reports. Overall, Obama has gained four percentage points over the last three days, while McCain has lost four points, for an eight-point swing in the "gap" or margin.
 
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