Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

Is the plume in this photo from Flight 93 crashing?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 129 90.8%

  • No.

    Votes: 13 9.2%
  • Total voters
    142
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Children: Praise Dylan!

Fritz: Now, off to re-education with you! We must remove all that government propoganda.

[Children exit right, through a door labelled "Labotomy Clinic"]
 
Huntsman said:
[SCENE: A gray, dingy courtyard in a heavily urbanized area. Several young children stand in a line, at attention, wearing uniforms. Fritz, a Free Speech Officer, walks in front of the line of children...]
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Funny, Fritz is one of my budgies name! :D
 
Ok, back on topic. Here's what we got so far...


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Your minimum:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Fuel upon impact: 7,500 gals
Fuel % burned upon impact: 75%
Wingspan: 38m/125ft
Peak fireball width: 100m/330ft (1 football field)
Plume width size at time of Val's photo: 600m/2,000ft (6 1/2 football fields)

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Your maximum:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Fuel upon impact: 10,000 gals
Fuel % burned upon impact: 95%
Wingspan: 38m/125ft
Peak fireball width: 700m/2,230ft (7 1/2 football fields)
Plume width size at time of Val's photo: 1,000m/3,300ft (10 football fields)

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If everybody's cool with these estimates, we can proceed with discussing that plume's color characteristics.
 
Wow, Killtown put Arkan_Wolfshade on ignore! He REALLY doesn't want to understand his errors, does he? Be interesting to see if R. Mackey gets there eventually.

While I'm speaking to everyone but Killtown: I notice that some 8 people voted for the photograph NOT being authentic in Killtown's poll. I haven't really seen more than one person speak in defense of K's position, though. Would anyone who actually agrees with Killtown but hasn't yet said so publicly care to say A) if they're still persuaded by his "argument" (I can summarize it for you here in case you've forgotten some of its finer points: "The cloud is too big because my gut tells me it is too big") and B) why?
 
Maybe he should put everyone on ignore, then he could both finish his experiment and have a consensus.
 
Pardalis said:
Maybe he should put everyone on ignore, then he could both finish his experiment and have a consensus.
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I'm not even sure a consensus would even be possible then as his theories often contradict each other.
 
Killtown said:
Ok, are you done whining, or can we proceed?
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You asked for us to stay on the topic of your "experiment". That which you characterized as "whining" was a methodological criticism of your "experiment".

Did you at least understand my "whining" criticism? Do you see why it is a lie to post on your website that you have calculated your results, when in fact you have not?

So...are you treating this as an actual experiment?
 
Yoink said:
Wow, Killtown put Arkan_Wolfshade on ignore! He REALLY doesn't want to understand his errors, does he? Be interesting to see if R. Mackey gets there eventually.

While I'm speaking to everyone but Killtown: I notice that some 8 people voted for the photograph NOT being authentic in Killtown's poll. I haven't really seen more than one person speak in defense of K's position, though. Would anyone who actually agrees with Killtown but hasn't yet said so publicly care to say A) if they're still persuaded by his "argument" (I can summarize it for you here in case you've forgotten some of its finer points: "The cloud is too big because my gut tells me it is too big") and B) why?
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I have stopped by attention to the poll a few pages ago. Though I am a little curiouse myself. I know there are some other CTers/ist/911 deniers on the board. I welcome their explantions as well.
 
Killtown said:
I just figured that out and they're on ignore. Now, are you going to contribute positive things for this experiment? If not, you'll be on ignore next.
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Oh please! Oh please! I wanna join the new club, "I Got Put On Killtown's Ignore List"! Can you just do it as, you know, a favor, or do I have to bring up the anti-Semite thing again?
 
Mercutio said:
You asked for us to stay on the topic of your "experiment". That which you characterized as "whining" was a methodological criticism of your "experiment".

Did you at least understand my "whining" criticism? Do you see why it is a lie to post on your website that you have calculated your results, when in fact you have not?

So...are you treating this as an actual experiment?
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Killtown, please respond to these questions now. Then explain why you haven't apologized to Val McClatchey.
 
If everybody's cool with these estimates, we can proceed with discussing that plume's color characteristics.


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Your minimum:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Fuel upon impact: 7,500 gals
Fuel % burned upon impact: 75%
Wingspan: 38m/125ft
Peak fireball width: 100m/330ft (1 football field)
Plume width size at time of Val's photo: 600m/2,000ft (6 1/2 football fields)

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Your maximum:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Fuel upon impact: 10,000 gals
Fuel % burned upon impact: 95%
Wingspan: 38m/125ft
Peak fireball width: 700m/2,230ft (7 1/2 football fields)
Plume width size at time of Val's photo: 1,000m/3,300ft (10 football fields)

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