What part of "I'm trying to prove your guy's plume theory" do you not understand?
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Plume in Flight 93 photo is different
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chran
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The part where "we" don't HAVE a plume theory, perhaps?
Yep, just trolling.
I think my irony-meter exploded when Killburg wrote this.
Kurztown, R. Mackey (who really is a saint), went to considerable trouble to give you a detailed and explicit calculation that suggested a plausible and possible mechanism whereby the initial fireball from the crash of Flight 93 would have been more than large enough to generate the mushroom cloud observed in the McClatchey photograph.
Your response to this was to say "nuh-uhhhh." For you, the only "first principle" that matters is "does it fit my own personal, uninformed best guess."
Tell us, do you apply this principle to all the findings of science, regardless of how surprising they seem to an uniformed layperson? Do you refute the findings of quantum science (nobody's "gut feelings" about the behaviour of sub atomic particles have ever been borne out in experiment)? Do you dispute plate tectonics (does anything seem more counter-intuitive than the fact that the very land beneath our feet is in a state of permanent drift)? Do you dispute Einstein's E=MC squared (there's no "informed guess" that would lead us to think that mass can be converted to energy)?
Or is it only in the field of plane crashes that you think that science has nothing to tell us, and that your "gut feelings" should be held to be the final and unchallengeable standard by which all other evidence should be measured?
If you have anything other to offer to this discussion than "I don't think it could be that large" (which is, I should stress, the sole basis for the claims you have advanced) now would be a good time. So far you have done nothing but cement everybody's opinion that you
A) made a public accusation against someone on the basis of no evidence whatsoever
B) are manifestly (and confessedly) incompetent to even follow (let alone perform independently) the mathematical arguments that would be necessary to make any kind of informed estimate of the plausible size of the cloud formed by the crash of Flight 93.
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C) are too cowardly to confess your error and apologize.
One day you will think back on this "argument" (it's hard to see it as a real argument given that you have advanced not a single reason to support your claim) and burn with shame. Not shame at having demonstrated such profound ignorance (there's nothing shameful about ignorance--only in refusing to amend it), not shame in having so comprehensively failed to support your argument (losing arguments is the way we learn), but deep and lasting shame at having made such a public and scurrilous accusation against an innocent person on the basis of nothing more than a passing whim, and for the cheap reward of getting applause from uncritical Conspiracy nuts. The only way you can mitigate some of that future shame is by making a very public and very clear apology to Val McClatchey.
Um, yes you do. Have you guy's proven this plume came from the crash spot?
kookbreaker
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He is very welcome here. You do not control this forum and Yoink makes many good points that you see fit to have avoided over and over. You had best deal with those points before you can even think of daring to tell someone to go away.
Stellafane
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HA! Killtime is trying to resort to that tried-and-true tactic adopted at the LC forum: If you can't answer 'em, ban 'em. Problem is, he's not a mod here, and neither is one of his psychotic little pals like johndoex.
Kinda sucks, eh Killtime? Why don't you just put Yoink on Ignore? Trust me, it doesn't matter what he says about you, you've reached the saturation point on the ridiculous meter all on your own.
You can do that here??? Where's that button?!
One quick experiment question, then: Is it considered acceptable to publish one's conclusions before one has calculated one's results?
Hellbound
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The only way this picture would matter at all is if it is shown to be both real, and inconsistent with the impact. So far, you've provided no reason to believe it is inconsistent. Given the preponderence of other evidence, it's more reasonable to assume the photo is accurate, than to believe the uninformed rantings of a random internet loon.
Experimental method question: Are you familiar with the term "null hypothesis"? Can you see where it applies here?
Stellafane
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Click the person's name, choose the next-to-last option.
I've calculated mine, that's why I published it on my blog.
Now I'm trying to calculate yours. Do you concur with your guy's estimates?
I just figured that out and they're on ignore. Now, are you going to contribute positive things for this experiment? If not, you'll be on ignore next.
Hellbound
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Bull**it.
You are lying. You didn't "calculate" anything. You eyeballed and guessed. Which is the same thing you're doing here.
You didn't even know what math of physics would apply to it, you were trying to compare it to other crashes of completely different types (planbes of a differing size, at differeing speeds, with differing fuel loads, impacting at a differing angle).
And if you have calculated it, that's what we've been asking for since page one. WHERE are your calculations? Because (hint: this is on the test) pulling anumber from your a$$ is not "calculating".
You've calculated exactly nothing. You made up numbers that made your pet theory sound good, trashed a woman's name based on nothing except that you didn't agree with her, and accused huindreds of government employees and civillians of being accessories to mass murder.
None of which has involved any sort of calculation.
kookbreaker
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Most cowards don't openly boast of their cowardice.
Hellbound
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This is CT world, kook. Up is down, right is left, stupid is smart and coward is brave.
Welcome to ignore!
Belz...
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Oh, yes it does. But I guess that IS too complicated for you.
I feel like we're caught in a time-loop, here. Not sure which one, though.
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