Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

Is the plume in this photo from Flight 93 crashing?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 129 90.8%

  • No.

    Votes: 13 9.2%
  • Total voters
    142
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Killtown said:
I've calculated mine, that's why I published it on my blog.

Now I'm trying to calculate yours. Do you concur with your guy's estimates?
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"Our guy's estimates", in this case, approximate the null hypothesis against which you have supposedly been testing your own numbers. You could not have properly evaluated your own without a proper understanding of the null hypothesis. Your job in this particular experiment is not to show that your idea is possible, it is to show that the null hypothesis is improbable enough that it can be rejected. You have not done so, and so you cannot draw a conclusion in favor of your own ideas.

This is elementary experimental methodology.

As Huntsman notes, even taking your "I've calculated mine" seriously is impossible given the numbers you have presented. Perhaps you do have numbers you have worked from; all you show are conclusions, and not the raw numbers you worked with, nor where you got them, nor what you did with them.

Have you ever had any classwork in experimental methodology or statistics? If not, you might wish to. If you have, it is time to dig up the books and refresh your memory.
 
Yoink, get off this thread. You are not welcome here.
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Ah, I was right. Killtown doesn't like being exposed as Mossad agent extraordinaire Sivan Kurzburg (Black Belt in Celebratory Lighter Flicking; leader of the elite Mossad "Cover-Blowing" Unit).

Strange that he doesn't realize that I have exposed his identity using his own logic: "if you can't explicitly disprove the hypothesis I have extraced from my lower intestine, then it's true!"
 
Killtown said:
You can do that here??? Where's that button?!
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Uh-oh. Killtown is now aware of the ignore function. I can now safely assume that he'll be talking to himself, soon enough. This means we're that much closer to him going back to LC forum claiming victory.

"They weren't saying anything anymore. They conceded my points!!!111!"
 
We are testing out the "official theory" here that Val's plume is from Flight 93 crashing at the reported spot.

Anybody who doesn't wish to participate is free to not post here.
 
Huntsman said:
The only way this picture would matter at all is if it is shown to be both real, and inconsistent with the impact. So far, you've provided no reason to believe it is inconsistent. Given the preponderence of other evidence, it's more reasonable to assume the photo is accurate, than to believe the uninformed rantings of a random internet loon.
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No, no, no. Huntsman, Killtown cannot POSSIBLY be random. If he were, he'd be right at least SOME of the time.
 
Killtown said:
We are testing out the "official theory" here that Val's plume is from Flight 93 crashing at the reported spot.
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Oh, good; nice to see you know what step we are on. Note, please, that this should have been one of the steps on the way to evaluating your own theory. As such, your own theory cannot possibly be claimed as "tested", let alone "supported".

Basic experimental methodology.
 
Mercutio said:
Oh, good; nice to see you know what step we are on. Note, please, that this should have been one of the steps on the way to evaluating your own theory. As such, your own theory cannot possibly be claimed as "tested", let alone "supported".

Basic experimental methodology.
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Ok, are you done whining, or can we proceed?
 
Ah, life is so much better here with the ignore button!


Ok, here's what we got so far...


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Your minimum:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Fuel upon impact: 7,500 gals
Fuel % burned upon impact: 75%
Wingspan: 38m/125ft
Peak fireball width: 100m/330ft (1 football field)
Plume width size at time of Val's photo: 600m/2,000ft (6 1/2 football fields)

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Your maximum:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Fuel upon impact: 10,000 gals
Fuel % burned upon impact: 95%
Wingspan: 38m/125ft
Peak fireball width: 700m/2,230ft (7 1/2 football fields)
Plume width size at time of Val's photo: 1,000m/3,300ft (10 football fields)

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If everybody's cool with these estimates, we can proceed with discussing that plume's color characteristics.
 
Gotta love it.

"Okay, is this right? Everyone agree with this?"

"No, we don't. It isn't accurate, it's based on poor data, and it won't prove anything."

"Okay, I'm ignoring you. Now, anyone else have a problem with it? I want all your opinions..."

LOL

9/11 "TRUTHTM" movement: Defending freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas (as long as it toes our party line).
 
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