Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

Is the plume in this photo from Flight 93 crashing?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 129 90.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 13 9.2%

  • Total voters
    142
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Focal length wouldn't matter because the object in focus (the plume) would still line up with the same details (red/white barn, etc).

You obviously don't know anything about photography. Focus has nothing to do with it.

I'm talking about image distortion. The background gets bigger and seems closer as the focal length of the lens gets longer. Have you looked at the pictures in my link?

Here is again some basic literature about photography that you might want to read, and learn from.

http://www.paragon-press.com/lens/lenchart.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length
http://cp.c-ij.com/english/photoshoo...unction02.html

Unfortunately, I have no skills in math, so I cannot make the proper calculations in order to measure the plume, taking into consideration the focal lenght of the lens. Maybe someone here could be kind enough to make such calculations. But you, Killtown sure as hell could show some intelligence and consideration for facts and the scientific method to consider all possible variables before accusing someone of fraud.
 
This is not real science at all. But it at least has semi-stable foundations. I feel more comfortable with MY calculation than with Killtown's "looks about the right size".

-Andrew
So do you concur with the lastest experiment estimates, or not?
 
I'm talking about image distortion. The background gets bigger and seems closer as the focal length of the lens gets longer. Have you looked at the pictures in my link?


To be fair to Killtown, when calculating scale off an aerial photo a different lens size won't affect the distance between two vector lines at a given distance from the camera.

While a wideangle lens will compress the gap between the barns (relative to the edge of frame), it will compress the background within those two vector lines by the same ratio.

Likewise, while a long lens will exaggerate the gap between the barns (relative to edge of frame) it will likewise expand the background within those two vector lines by the same ratio.

It is only when trying to judge the size of objects at an unknown distance tha t it becomes an issue.

-Andrew
 
And what claims do you think I've made in there?

"Her photo, which she has called "End of Serenity," has been cheered by a lot of 9/11 researchers, including myself, who have argued that her photo proves that the crash of Flight 93 is fake because the smoke plume in her photo looks more like the plume coming from an ordnance blast because of its grey color rather than from a plane crash since smoke from jet fuel fires are almost black in color."

Claim: Her photo is fake.
Reality: You have not completed the investigation that would allow you to rule out the possibility that the official story is correct. You have not even begun that analysis, because you keep stalling and waiting for permission to continue. You have admitted, in this thread, that you did not know how to conduct that investigation.

"Now after nearly five years of speculating over this photo, evidence has been discovered that conclusively shows that the mushroom cloud in her photo did not come from a Boeing 757 crashing at Shanksville and not only that, but there is something else about this photo that makes it a 100% proof positive smoking gun photo!"

Claim: there is conclusive evidence to show that the cloud is not from a 757 crash at Shanksville.
Reality: You have presented no such conclusive evidence; as above, you have not even completed the analysis that would allow you to make that claim.

"So how do I know that the mushroom cloud seen on her photo is in fact an ordnance plume and what is the other even bigger smoking gun? "

Claim: it is a fact that the cloud is an ordnance plume.
Reality: You have no evidence that it is. None. As above, you have not even completed the analysis that would allow you to reject the official story.

"This is a huge smoking gun! It proves that this blast is more likely an ordnance plume and that it did not come from the crater that the government told us was made when Flight 93 nosedived there. However, this huge smoking gun gets even bigger and better! According to my analysis, this ordnance plume blast could not possibly have came anywhere near the crash site!"

Claim: the plume did not come from the 93 crash site.
Reality: Same as above.

Claim: You conducted an analysis.
Reality: You have been asked to produce your numbers, their source, and what you did with them. You have admitted that you did not know the math involved with the proper equations. If you have indeed conducted an analysis, you have kept it quite hidden--certainly not transparent to review.

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There are more, of course. But the first alone would be enough to merit an apology to Val, and a retraction on your blog, if you were an honest person.
 
"Her photo, which she has called "End of Serenity," has been cheered by a lot of 9/11 researchers, including myself, who have argued that her photo proves that the crash of Flight 93 is fake because the smoke plume in her photo looks more like the plume coming from an ordnance blast because of its grey color rather than from a plane crash since smoke from jet fuel fires are almost black in color."

Claim: Her photo is fake.
Dude, go back and READ for godsakes!
 
Dude, go back and READ for godsakes!

*sigh*

Gee, Killtown, if you have nothing in your blog worth apologizing for, why did you say that "sure", you would apologize if it turned out you could not prove your point?

Your own "sure" tells us that you know you have said things that, if baseless, are worth apologizing for. Your own comments on this thread tell us that you recognize that you did not do the appropriate math that would make those things anything other than baseless.

You have said X. You have agreed that, if you cannot back up X, you would apologize. You have, however, said X before you could back it up.

Should you be apologizing already?

Sure.
 
My sincere apologies--you are correct about this; I misread a clause. I am wrong about this one.
Cool, but if you come here not to contribute to the experiment at hand, please find another thread to post non-related stuff.

Thanks.
 
Dude, you have nothing productive to contribute to this experiment. Get lost.

You're the one playing games and making light of the tragedy that occurred that day. Instead of presenting your case you dance around, dodging and weaving against questions posed to you all the while claiming you are doing an "experiment". Grow up.
 
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