Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[Anti-sophist]

There are two cases of "photo analysis" on that link, thanks to control-F. The title of the blog, and the link that goes back to the same page.

Maybe you need to be more specific.

 

[Killtown]

There are two cases of "photo analysis" on that link, thanks to control-F. The title of the blog, and the link that goes back to the same page.

Maybe you need to be more specific.

http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/2006/07/plume-analysis.html

 

[Matthew Best]

Where on that page do you say how big the plume should have been? And how big should it have been?

 

[Anti-sophist]

Ok, I found it.

On this last photo analysis, I included two equally sized explosions (orange) that I generously estimated that would have come from the crash scene area (based from the distance from the crate to the outer most part of the burnt forest section

Why would you assume the diameter of the smoke cloud was confined by the diameter of the wreckage/fire?

 

[R.Mackey]

Hey Anti-sophist,

Before you get sucked into this 71-page black hole of ignorance and cyber-stalking, you should know something about Killtown's level of scientific understanding.

The best example is here, back on Page 31. Here and in the following posts, Killtown tries to add 580 MPH to 125 feet, getting 705 feet, and doesn't understand why that won't work. Even after having it patiently explained to him.

Needless to say, some remedial arithmetic will be required before Killtown is ready to handle gas dynamics and thermodynamics.

Nonetheless, this staggering, almost inconceivable lack of ability has not deterred him from publicly accusing Ms. Val McClatchey, the photographer of the Flight 93 remains, along with publishing her personal and financial information, while he himself remains "safely" behind the shield of the Internet. Despite his own promise that he would apologize to her if he could not prove his point.

I also note the moderators have already looked into this matter, suspending Killtown the last time he came by here on the basis of his libelous posts. I apologize to the forum community if I am exacerbating this ongoing situation, just trying to bring you up to date.

 

[Anti-sophist]

I'm guessing it's already been explained to him that his width calculations for the plume actually line up pretty perfectly with the lower "pre-diffusion" part of the mushroom cloud seen in the photo, then?

 

[R.Mackey]

I'm guessing it's already been explained to him that his width calculations for the plume actually line up pretty perfectly with the lower "pre-diffusion" part of the mushroom cloud seen in the photo, then?

Yup.

One poster went as far as to contact Professor Joe Shepherd at GALCIT, a man I once studied under, and one of the world's foremost authorities on combustion and fluid mixing. His response was that nobody could conclude on the basis of the photographic evidence that it was not from Flight 93.

On one hand, a Caltech professor, expert in his field. On the other, Killtown, can't even add. We report, you decide.

 

[Bell]

I'm guessing it's already been explained to him that his width calculations for the plume actually line up pretty perfectly with the lower "pre-diffusion" part of the mushroom cloud seen in the photo, then?

Yeah, 450 pixels + Boeing 757 = 1207 feet wide plume.
Or something.

 

[Killtown]

Ok, I found it.

Why would you assume the diameter of the smoke cloud was confined by the diameter of the wreckage/fire?

edjamacated guess. and observing other plane crashes.

 

[Killtown]

Before you get sucked into this 71-page black hole of ignorance and cyber-stalking, you should know something about Killtown's level of scientific understanding.

The best example is here, back on Page 31. Here and in the following posts, Killtown tries to add 580 MPH to 125 feet, getting 705 feet, and doesn't understand why that won't work. Even after having it patiently explained to him.

Needless to say, some remedial arithmetic will be required before Killtown is ready to handle gas dynamics and thermodynamics.

Nonetheless, this staggering, almost inconceivable lack of ability has not deterred him from publicly accusing Ms. Val McClatchey, the photographer of the Flight 93 remains, along with publishing her personal and financial information, while he himself remains "safely" behind the shield of the Internet. Despite his own promise that he would apologize to her if he could not prove his point.

I also note the moderators have already looked into this matter, suspending Killtown the last time he came by here on the basis of his libelous posts. I apologize to the forum community if I am exacerbating this ongoing situation, just trying to bring you up to date.

Lies, lies, and more lies.

 

[Bell]

Lies, lies, and more lies.

That the best rebutal of Mackey's post?

 

[CurtC]

I see nothing in your blog that concludes that a 700 yard plume, in diameter, is impossible. I see nothing that says a 7 mile plume, in fact, is impossible.

Do you have any analysis to show that the plume that you claim is shown in that photo is impossible?

Apparently you haven't read this thread. It consists, pretty much exactly, of us asking this very question and Killtown dodging it, for 70 pages.

 

[Anti-sophist]

edjamacated guess. and observing other plane crashes.

How many of these other plane crashes that you observed have 575mph worth of momentum and kinetic energy directed directly into the ground? Do you feel it's fair to compare plane crashes with orders of magnitude less kinetic energy and momentum directed into the ground when examining "smoke plume spread"?

 

[Killtown]

That the best rebutal of Mackey's post?

Funny, I've seen MUCH worse rebuttals from you JREFers and you never seem to complain about those. Biased?

 

[qarnos]

Funny, I've seen MUCH worse rebuttals from you JREFers and you never seem to complain about those. Biased?

Such as...?

 

[Bell]

Funny, I've seen MUCH worse rebuttals from you JREFers and you never seem to complain about those. Biased?

Yes, very much. That's the advantage of working for the NWO.

 

[Anti-sophist]

Apparently you haven't read this thread. It consists, pretty much exactly, of us asking this very question and Killtown dodging it, for 70 pages.

No, I have, actually. But I really want to try... maybe I'm special...

 

[Killtown]

How many of these other plane crashes that you observed have 575mph worth of momentum and kinetic energy directed directly into the ground? Do you feel it's fair to compare plane crashes with orders of magnitude less kinetic energy and momentum directed into the ground when examining "smoke plume spread"?

Who says 93 crashed at going that speed again?

Yes. Do you not?

 

[R.Mackey]

Lies, lies, and more lies.

How can I have lied, Killtown?

I linked the very post where you made that mistake. Just a few posts later, I ask whether you understand why you can't add a speed to a length, and you say "no."

It's all in this thread, black and white, clear as crystal.

What's also clear is who is lying. I'll give you two guesses.

 

[Anti-sophist]

Do you feel it's fair to compare plane crashes with orders of magnitude less kinetic energy and momentum directed into the ground when examining "smoke plume spread"?

Yes. Do you not?

No, I do not. Things that have 10x as much energy tend to behave differently. Feel free to drop an egg from an inch off a table, and then 10 inches. You'll see the difference is remarkable.