One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Kumar]

Is today "Kumar points out every single fault he has" day?

Can be, I am not absolute. Look at my signature. Btw, Are you absolute?

Kumar, skeptics are perfectly willing to be proven wrong. You only need to supply evidence, something which you so far have been unable to do. Don't feel bad, no homeopath has.
You, on the other hand, have shown yourself to be completely preconvinced that homeopathy works, and that the answer to how it works must be found. You come up with these theories, and no amount of evidence or explanation can show you when you are wrong.

My persistance can be due my personal substancial repeated taste based. I got the taste, but how & from which--is my curiosity & a try for all. It tastes, tastes type & tastes effects, are only consideration for homeopathy. But to know & provide knowledge/science of its taste, how, from which, & how it effects etc.-can be science duty or need for science & humanity. It can be multi million industry for science if its science could be known. Earning can e same/more along with least adversities & people's preferances/likings. This a a deep & dynamic thought for your persistant anti-homeopathic move.

Lets see, what's left. Hey, how about you start claiming I accuse you of having "vested interests"?

Youall add something in creating new thoughts in consideration of above--as you can create/do better.

 

[Kumar]

Another thought

Can some molecules of silica/glass disassocite from glass during potentisation & adhere with the molecules of remedies & continue? Have you noted some silica toxicity from bottles?

 

[Donks]

Can be, I am not absolute. Look at my signature. Btw, Are you absolute?

I was not refering to your "absoluteness" (whatever the hell that means), I was referring that you were being extremely hypocrytical by acusing people of doind exactly what you do all the time.

My persistance can be due my personal substancial repeated taste based. I got the taste, but how & from which--is my curiosity & a try for all. It tastes, tastes type & tastes effects, are only consideration for homeopathy. But to know & provide knowledge/science of its taste, how, from which, & how it effects etc.-can be science duty or need for science & humanity. It can be multi million industry for science if its science could be known. Earning can e same/more along with least adversities & people's preferances/likings. This a a deep & dynamic thought for your persistant anti-homeopathic move.

This is neither "deep" nor "dynamic". It is shallow, and apparently set in stone. It hasn't changed in 200 years.
And for the record, homeopathy would is a multi-million dollar industry. Quacks sell it all the time.
Pharma companies don't get into it for one simple reason" it does not work. If they had a remedy that was extremely easy to make, the research was already done, and had no side effects, they'd jump at the chance to sell it. They don't because they know it doesn't work. They can't sell drugs unless they prove their efficacy.
Assuming it did work (for the slow, this is not an admission that it works, it's another hypothetical), they wouldn't need to know how it works, just that it works, what are the benefits, and what are the side effects.

 

[Jocce]

How these can be relevant to least molecular presence;

Arndt's law, Arndt-Schulz law, weak stimuli increase physiologic activity and very strong stimuli inhibit or abolish activity.

all or none law 1. the principle that the heart muscle, under whatever stimulus, will contract to the fullest extent or not at all; stimulation of any single atrial or ventricular muscle fiber causes the action potential to travel over the entire atrial or ventricular mass, or not to travel at all. 2. in muscles other than cardiac muscle, and in nerves, stimulation of an individual fiber causes an action potential to travel over the entire fiber or not to travel at all.

Allen's paradoxic law, whereas in normal individuals the more sugar is given the more is utilized, the reverse is true in diabetics.

Draper's law, only the rays that are absorbed by a photochemical substance will produce a chemical change in it.

Dollo's law, phyletic development is irreversible, i.e., reversion to an ancestral peculiarity (atavism) is impossible.

Horner's law, ordinary color blindness is transmitted from males to males through normal females.

*Arndt-Schulz law.
1. This is about radiation-induced effects.
2. Already in the 1960's it was seen that experimental data didn't support the "law" and it is now obsolete.

All or none law
What has that got to do with anything? Please clarify.

Allen's paradoxic law,
About sugar. Would you like to extend it to include every substance? Good luck.

Draper's law
Eh...yes? The molecules in the crude substance all carry small flash lights?

Dollo's law
Not applicable. This is about evolution.

Horner's law
Yes, very interesting but not related to shaking waterbottles.

 

[Mojo]

This is your field.

How these can be relevant to least molecular presence;

Arndt's law, Arndt-Schulz law, weak stimuli increase physiologic activity and very strong stimuli inhibit or abolish activity.

all or none law 1. the principle that the heart muscle, under whatever stimulus, will contract to the fullest extent or not at all; stimulation of any single atrial or ventricular muscle fiber causes the action potential to travel over the entire atrial or ventricular mass, or not to travel at all. 2. in muscles other than cardiac muscle, and in nerves, stimulation of an individual fiber causes an action potential to travel over the entire fiber or not to travel at all.

Allen's paradoxic law, whereas in normal individuals the more sugar is given the more is utilized, the reverse is true in diabetics.

Draper's law, only the rays that are absorbed by a photochemical substance will produce a chemical change in it.

http://www.merckmedicus.com/pp/us/h...docs/us/common/dorlands/dorland/dmd-l-008.htm

http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cn...zdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_l_04zPzhtm#10070518

Many other laws, rules, theories can e relevany by thinking bit dynamically.

What is this:-

Dollo's law, phyletic development is irreversible, i.e., reversion to an ancestral peculiarity (atavism) is impossible.

Horner's law, ordinary color blindness is transmitted from males to males through normal females.

What about Cole's law, shredded cabbage and carrot in mayonnaise is a nice side dish with a pizza.

This is at least as relevant to homeopathy as what you posted.

 

[Mojo]

Another thought

Can some molecules of silica/glass disassocite from glass during potentisation & adhere with the molecules of remedies & continue?

No.

Have you noted some silica toxicity from bottles?

No.

 

[Kumar]

I was not refering to your "absoluteness" (whatever the hell that means), I was referring that you were being extremely hypocrytical by acusing people of doind exactly what you do all the time.

Sorry, if you felt like that.

This is neither "deep" nor "dynamic". It is shallow, and apparently set in stone. It hasn't changed in 200 years.
And for the record, homeopathy would is a multi-million dollar industry. Quacks sell it all the time.
Pharma companies don't get into it for one simple reason" it does not work. If they had a remedy that was extremely easy to make, the research was already done, and had no side effects, they'd jump at the chance to sell it. They don't because they know it doesn't work. They can't sell drugs unless they prove their efficacy.
Assuming it did work (for the slow, this is not an admission that it works, it's another hypothetical), they wouldn't need to know how it works, just that it works, what are the benefits, and what are the side effects.

All these are only "paranormals" & "supernaturals" about homeopathy/TRS. Why it looks reasonably clear to one mass...part of society & not even dim to other inspite both are somewhat similar type modern people? Does anyone above us control this vision?

 

[Donks]

All these are only "paranormals" & "supernaturals" about homeopathy/TRS. Why it looks reasonably clear to one mass...part of society & not even dim to other inspite both are somewhat similar type modern people?

I don't know. Perhaps one mass part of society is perfectly willing to accept homeopathy on faith, and another requires evidence.

Does anyone above us control this vision?

Do you have upstairs neighbors controlling you? Who is "above you"?

 

[Kumar]

*Arndt-Schulz law.
1. This is about radiation-induced effects.
2. Already in the 1960's it was seen that experimental data didn't support the "law" and it is now obsolete.

Yes, still somewhat relevant.

All or none law
What has that got to do with anything? Please clarify.

Any small stimuli(remedy) may produce all or any big stimuli may none?

Allen's paradoxic law,
About sugar. Would you like to extend it to include every substance? Good luck.

No, but it tells body resists any imbalanced substance--may be iron or other nutrients on getting latent/chronic conditions.

Draper's law
Eh...yes? The molecules in the crude substance all carry small flash lights?

This I want to understand.

Dollo's law
Not applicable. This is about evolution.

Does it indicates that we should not go against our ancesstors chacteristics/make ups?

Horner's law
Yes, very interesting but not related to shaking waterbottles.

Yes, just to relax. What it means?

 

[Kumar]

I don't know. Perhaps one mass part of society is perfectly willing to accept homeopathy on faith, and another requires evidence.

or can it be by practical experiance or lab. experiance basis?

Do you have upstairs neighbors controlling you? Who is "above you"?

upstairs neighbor can be a smart lady controlling me--probably.

Above us can be "Godess", "God"...as thought by one mass.. part of society.

 

[Kumar]

No.No.

Can some molecule come out from glass of bottle during potentisation process? Water has some fluoride.

 

[Donks]

or can it be by practical experiance or lab. experiance basis?

It's objective evidence versus subjective perception. For some of us, there's a difference and one has more value than the other.

Above us can be "Godess", "God"...as thought by one mass.. part of society.

That must be some bizarre god, mounting a conspiracy so that homeopaths all look like jackasses because they can't offer evidence. It's like Michigan J. Frog, it'll sing and dance for its owner, but when put on a stage it just croaks.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I think maybe you've misunderstood Kumar. I think that by "from science side" he meant everyone else on the forum. He, on the other hand, is from the "complete cobblers" side and so can be as vague and hypothetical as he likes.

No, I've understood him well enough. I'm just going to keep reminding him that the playing field is level. if he wants to talk science then he is working "from science side" as well.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Now, suppose we heat a bottle to some degree & put IC potency solution when hot, then shake & cool, will something happen for enhancing the adhesions of molecule of IC solution to glass?

Furthur, I hope you may not be having any dispute in case of TRS triturations as pestles/mortars/equipments can be quite porus to hold some molecules & carry over on triturating.

One more; Mr. hans previously told somewhat; photons can be bigger/larger than molecules(?)--but photons as light can pass through the glass of bottles. Then????

Pls avoid "assumptions" , "hypotheticals", mean all vauge aspects, when talking from science side.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Another thought

Can some molecules of silica/glass disassocite from glass during potentisation & adhere with the molecules of remedies & continue? Have you noted some silica toxicity from bottles?

Bingo!!

Jocce and Darat get the 10 points for actually saying it, but the rest of us can have 5 points for thinking it.

OK, onto the next round.

 

[Zep]

Hey, it entertains me. You know: wall, stop hitting, feel good?

Whatever rings your chimes!

 

[Jocce]

*Arndt-Schulz law.
1. This is about radiation-induced effects.
2. Already in the 1960's it was seen that experimental data didn't support the "law" and it is now obsolete.

Kumar: Yes, still somewhat relevant.

Go look up the word OBSOLETE

All or none law
What has that got to do with anything? Please clarify.

Kumar: Any small stimuli(remedy) may produce all or any big stimuli may none?

Maybe you should actually try to read about "All or none" and try to understand it?

Allen's paradoxic law,
About sugar. Would you like to extend it to include every substance? Good luck.

Kumar: No, but it tells body resists any imbalanced substance--may be iron or other nutrients on getting latent/chronic conditions.

It most certainly don't. Reread and understand what it actually tells.

Draper's law
Eh...yes? The molecules in the crude substance all carry small flash lights?

Kumar: This I want to understand.

I don't think so. Evidence suggests that you don't want to understand anything.

Dollo's law
Not applicable. This is about evolution.

Does it indicates that we should not go against our ancesstors chacteristics/make ups?

No, quite the opposite. Don't make the ancestors mistakes again. An argument against homeopathy actually if it had been relevant. Which it of course isn't.

Horner's law
Yes, very interesting but not related to shaking waterbottles.

Yes, just to relax. What it means?

You did it again huh? Copy and paste without reading. Go back and reread, avoid green text on red background.

And finally...about your insisting that "science" should research possible explanations for homeopathy. If you wanna play with grown ups, you gotta play by the grown ups rules. And in the real, grown up world, anyone who wants a treatment proven has to pay the bills. Surely that can be no problem in the billion dollar industry of homeopathic remedies. I have this gut feeling that something else is behind that unwillingness in the hpathy industry. Wonder what that can be.

I look forward to your next post. Doctors say a good laugh leads to longer life so I'll be 200 years old for sure.

 

[Kumar]

Now your turn

Jocce, BSM, Zep.....

In view of your style, claimed technical knowledges & comments, it may be better, you post a theory (obiously to do your duty for humanity & science) which you can think bit dynamically and discuss here among you which I just read.. However if you can't or don't want or preconvinced, then no problem & no purpose to discuss. But one thing is sure that it is a mass...system--so something should be there in it for you. So pls try try again, you will gain. Take your decision accordingly.

waiting for a theory..............

 

[Jocce]

It does NOT work. End of theory.

 

[Donks]

Re: Now your turn

Jocce, BSM, Zep.....

In view of your style, claimed technical knowledges & comments, it may be better, you post a theory (obiously to do your duty for humanity & science) which you can think bit dynamically and discuss here among you which I just read..

I will now fulfill my duty to humanity and science (is this guy delusional or what?) and present a theory:
Some people can't distinguish between the placebo effect and an actual effect produced by a treatment.

However if you can't or don't want or preconvinced, then no problem & no purpose to discuss.

Yes, these damn preconvinced skeptics. If there only was something to make them change their minds... something like some sort of evidence...

But one thing is sure that it is a mass...system--so something should be there in it for you.

Other than hours of enjoyment debunking it again and again, and mocking the bumbling proponents?

So pls try try again, you will gain. Take your decision accordingly.

I like my gains in cash, small bills, non sequential.

waiting for a theory..............

Here's another theory: Kumar actually believes that he can just snap his fingers and a whole bunch of people will instantly start brainstorming on theories of how homeopathy works, and why it hasn't provided evidence so far.