One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Jocce]

Maybe it's that darn silica hiding the evidence?

 

[Donks]

Maybe it's that darn silica hiding the evidence?

To paraphrase Homer: Silica, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.

 

[Mojo]

Re: Now your turn

In view of your style, claimed technical knowledges & comments, it may be better, you post a theory (obiously to do your duty for humanity & science) which you can think bit dynamically and discuss here among you which I just read.. However if you can't or don't want or preconvinced, then no problem & no purpose to discuss. But one thing is sure that it is a mass...system--so something should be there in it for you. So pls try try again, you will gain. Take your decision accordingly.

waiting for a theory..............

It is not anyone's "duty" to provide a theory to explain something that has not been demonstrated to occur. All the evidence points to a simple conclusion: HOMEOPATHY DOESN'T WORK.

If you want people to spend time on researching possible mechanisms to explain how homeopathy works, you must first provide evidence that it does work.

Waiting for evidence.............

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Now your turn

I will now fulfill my duty to humanity and science (is this guy delusional or what?) and present a theory:
Some people can't distinguish between the placebo effect and an actual effect produced by a treatment.

Yes, these damn preconvinced skeptics. If there only was something to make them change their minds... something like some sort of evidence...

Other than hours of enjoyment debunking it again and again, and mocking the bumbling proponents?

I like my gains in cash, small bills, non sequential.

Here's another theory: Kumar actually believes that he can just snap his fingers and a whole bunch of people will instantly start brainstorming on theories of how homeopathy works, and why it hasn't provided evidence so far.

Yes, it is a theory not practical. You can search & finds homeopathic practicals at;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=homeopathic+cured+cases&btnG=Google+Search

Mojo,

For you.

In one of the most convincing tests to date, Dr. David Reilly conducted clinical trials on patients suffering from hay fever. Using hundreds of patients, Reilly was able to show a noticeable improvement in patients taking a homeopathic remedy over those in the control group. Tests on different allergies produced similar results. Yet the scientific community called these results into question because they could not explain how the homeopathic medicines could have worked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml

Does it not showed the effects/evidance of effects?

 

[Donks]

Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

Yes, it is a theory not practical. You can search & finds homeopathic practicals at;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=homeopathic+cured+cases&btnG=Google+Search

Mojo,

For you.

Yay, google links! All the world's knowledge just a click away!

 

[Jeff Corey]

Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

...Does it not showed the effects/evidance of effects?

From your link, "To Randi's relief, the experiment was a total failure."
Homeoquackery didn't work.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Does it not showed the effects/evidance of effects?

I doubt it. The article could be mistaken or dishonest about why scientists dismissed the study. Something do to with double-blind protocols are likely to be the problem.

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

Yay, google links! All the world's knowledge just a click away!

Any problem? It may help to at least encourage you about 'something is/can be there' and change your embeded preconvinced ideas. Then you can present some theory. Some clues for presenting a theory can be tried here.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Why present a theory for how something works, when we know it doesn't work?

 

[Donks]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

Any problem?

Yes, there is a problem. That search produces 34,900 results. Which of them are of any interest?

It may help to at least encourage you about 'something is/can be there' and change your embeded preconvinced ideas.

Why should I change my "preconvinced ideas"? You sure haven't. You still think homeopathy works, and that part excitations are possible, etc.
If you present some evidence, I'll reanalyse my position. Until then...

Then you can present some theory. Some clues for presenting a theory can be tried here.

Another google search. Is that your idea of evidence? They are not even smart google searches, they are the vaguest searches possible.

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

From your link, "To Randi's relief, the experiment was a total failure."
Homeoquackery didn't work.

Don't try to make fool? It is for the "Horizon takes up the challenge" para not for the "Homeopathy undergoes more tests".

Why it was "To Randi's relief". Was he not interested or un-cofortable in giving/offering the prize? Btw, suppose any one proves & get the prize, it is a tension or relief for him? Is he really want, anyone wins prize or not?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Maybe he's relieved that physics didn't change just to suit a homeopathic experiment. When I think about it, I'm relieved right now that gravity didn't just stop working.

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

Yes, there is a problem. That search produces 34,900 results. Which of them are of any interest?

Why should I change my "preconvinced ideas"? You sure haven't. You still think homeopathy works, and that part excitations are possible, etc.
If you present some evidence, I'll reanalyse my position. Until then...

Another google search. Is that your idea of evidence? They are not even smart google searches, they are the vaguest searches possible.

Pls give protocols/requirements for your satisfaction. To satify homeopathic links can only be provided which you should believe as others beleives your links. Other possibility can be to request Dr.Mas or other homeopath.

 

[thaiboxerken]

One million dollars to anyone who can identify a homeopathic solution from water, the protocols are already outlined in a the Randi commentary archive, Kum.

 

[Kumar]

Then Professor Madeleine Ennis attended a conference in which a French researcher claimed to be able to show that water had a memory. Ennis was unimpressed - so the researcher challenged her to try the experiment for herself. When she did so, she was astonished to find that her results agreed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml

What does it mean?

 

[Jeff Corey]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now your turn

Don't try to make fool? It is for the "Horizon takes up the challenge" para not for the "Homeopathy undergoes more tests".

Why it was "To Randi's relief". Was he not interested or un-cofortable in giving/offering the prize? Btw, suppose any one proves & get the prize, it is a tension or relief for him? Is he really want, anyone wins prize or not?

I am not trying "to make fool". That would be redundant.
And the "To Randi's relief" part was speculation on the part of the reporter.

 

[Donks]

Now your turn

Pls give protocols/requirements for your satisfaction. To satify homeopathic links can only be provided which you should believe as others beleives your links. Other possibility can be to request Dr.Mas or other homeopath.

How about a proper DBPC study to start with?

DrMAS got his account temporarily suspended.

 

[Donks]

What does it mean?

Great. Now Kumar's going to start parading the Ennis, Benveniste et al papers that have been debunked 15,000 times on this board.
How long before 100,000 MEDICAL DOCTORS?

 

[Kumar]

However, homeopathy is also believed to work on animals and babies. Could the placebo effect also explain this?

The apparent effect of a placebo could also be due to other interventions that occur at the same time - changes in diet for instance, or just increased care and attention. There could also be a degree of wishful thinking on behalf of the human observer - believing an animal or baby that received the treatment has improved more than it has because of unconscious bias. There might also be an indirect placebo effect - the treatment makes a carer feel more relaxed and this is picked up by an animal or baby.

How has homeopathy performed in clinical trials?

There have been over 200 trials published that have examined the effectiveness of homeopathic medicines. The majority of these have found some positive effect of homeopathy. However, in such a comparison you have to take into account publication bias: a positive study is more likely to get published than a negative study. Opinions differ as to whether analysing all these studies together is useful and whether the overall evidence comes out significantly in favour of homeopathy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathyqa.shtml

These also tells positive effects in practice but are assumed as 'can be placebo' or otherwise and are not absolute denial.

Donks....,

This do not indicate absolute denial--so something can be there. Prize is there for your efforts. So just try try again you will gain & behave like a "thirsty crow". I will help for no bill/prize but just for curiosity, science and humanity.

Best wishes for best luck.



"If we become pre-convinced, we cant do any thing different/new. So don't arrest/restrict yourself" The problem/doubling/confusion is that people deny strongly any mass...aspect on one side, but are not yet absolute on other side. So wait till "absolute"--Kumar

 

[Donks]

These also tells positive effects in practice but are assumed as 'can be placebo' or otherwise and are not absolute denial.

Nice selective quoting there, Kumar.

Donks....,

This do not indicate absolute denial--so something can be there.

Just for kicks, here it goes again. Science has no absolutes. Science will not absolutely reject homeopathy. Neither will I. There will be no "absolute denial". Is that understood?
The problem (for you) is that there's no reliable evidence. Only studies with improper blinding or protocols, studies that can't be replicated, and anecdotal evidence.

Prize is there for your efforts. So just try try again you will gain & behave like a "thirsty crow". I will help for no bill/prize but just for curiosity, science and humanity.

If you wanted to helpo humanity you would forget homeopathy once and for all. People could die because of it, Kumar. If someone does not get the proper effective treatment in favor of the homeopathic one, they could die.

"If we become pre-convinced, we cant do any thing different/new. So don't arrest/restrict yourself"

That's what you do. All the time. You are as preconvinced as they come. You refuse knowledge like noone I've ever seen before.

The problem/doubling/confusion is that people deny strongly any mass...aspect on one side, but are not yet absolute on other side.

I have told you already. You take the mass aspect and use it as a first observation. Then you create a hypothesis and design a proper experiment to test it. You know, do proper science.

So wait till "absolute"--Kumar

You keep waiting for your absolutes. None will come from science. It would be nice if you could demonstrate an ability to learn by, once and for all, understanding that there are no absolutes in science.