OCT leader's maturity and credibility

[Shrike]

This is actually the first time I've seen someone provide links to where he himself avoid answers.
If everybody starts doing that, Claus will soon be out of work...

 

[asmodean]

And when Gravy says "jump" we ask "how high?".

You do? I jump, then ask "High enough? Can do it again if it wasn't enough mMr Gravy-leader, sir."

 

[911insideJob]

Great work Kill, the OCTers will need some serious medication when they finally wake from their slumbers.

I notice they wont got near 911Eyewitness.

 

[Cuddles]

If this is what passes for great work with the LCs I think I can see what your problem is.

 

[chipmunk stew]

immaturity is a 2 edged sword

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com...13fb4c59df6&search_in=posts&result_type=posts

im sure i could dig up killtown being insulting too (we already know he has no respect for mark bingham)

Allow me:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1843360#post1843360

 

[Gravy]

Great work Kill, the OCTers will need some serious medication when they finally wake from their slumbers.

I notice they wont got near 911Eyewitness.

Hi 911. Would you mind pointing out Killtown's "great work?"

I'll be glad to start a new thread about 911Eyewitness, but only if you're willing to have an actual discussion about it.

Agreed?

 

[Joytown]

Great work Kill, the OCTers will need some serious medication when they finally wake from their slumbers.

I notice they wont got near 911Eyewitness.

Please do start a thread with the claims and evidence 911Eyewitness claims to have and we'll be glad to discuss it.

And as to the "waking from slumbers" thing - after being accused many times by CT'ers of being asleep and needing to open my eyes and wake up, I'm fully convince that the Conspiracy Theorists are actually thinly disquised shills for the COFFEE INDUSTRY!

All kidding aside - any new plausible evidence is welcome here.

-Joytown

 

[Foolmewunz]

Great work Kill, the OCTers will need some serious medication when they finally wake from their slumbers.

I notice they wont got near 911Eyewitness.

Uh oh, he sent for his big brudder.... More brilliant CT analysis. And just to clarify, we're all seriously medicated already. So, you'll have to excuse us, 911insideJob, we're all heading over to 911Eyewitness for a bit to get our jollies over there. But y'all hang around for a while, ya heah? Go read Christophera's string for a while, that ought to keep you busy, but you stay around, Killbigot was getting lonely.... (Don't worry if it's a long and insane string [actually, that'll just make you feel like you never left home, I guess], and that there are a few erudite strings in between the sounds of thinkers smashing their heads against the wall.... we'll explain the big words, later.)

And.... if 911 was really inside Job, I guess that goes to prove the Jew conspiracy.... Now "insideJob'swife", I can see - she was a real pain in the ass, but I looke through the entire old testament for references to 911 being inside Job, and found nothing... Try googlesearch "Job & Old Testament & CTer's are a bunch of nutbars".

Please do not call names.

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[911insideJob]

Hi 911. Would you mind pointing out Killtown's "great work?"

I'll be glad to start a new thread about 911Eyewitness, but only if you're willing to have an actual discussion about it.

Agreed?

Debate with a closed minded, patronising, devious morally bankrupt lacky?

Okay.

 

[mrfreeze]

Awwww we love you too!

 

[Gravy]

Debate with a closed minded, patronising, devious morally bankrupt lacky?

Okay.

I object to that characterization. I'm financially bankrupt, not morally.

Seriously, though, 911. You said we weren't willing to take on that video. For one, you can read a few pages of comments about it starting with the last post on page 18 of this thread.

People here, me included, will be glad to discuss the issues raised by that video, and you won't be banned here for disagreeing.

How about it?

 

[911insideJob]

And.... if 911 was really inside Job, I guess that goes to prove the Jew conspiracy.... Now "insideJob'swife", I can see - she was a real pain in the ass, but I looke through the entire old testament for references to 911 being inside Job, and found nothing... Try googlesearch "Job & Old Testament & CTer's are a bunch of nutbars".

Equating truth seekers with anti semites is one heck of an original angle, really hadn't heard that one before. I'll give you an F for originality. I thought Kill was exagerhating about credibility and maturity.

 

[911insideJob]

People here, me included, will be glad to discuss the issues raised by that video, and you won't be banned here for disagreeing.

How about it?

You are terribly kind my friend. There is so much to learn here I'd hate to be excluded from the company of such intellectual giants.

 

[Gravy]

Equating truth seekers with anti semites is one heck of an original angle, really hadn't heard that one before. I'll give you an F for originality. I thought Kill was exagerhating about credibility and maturity.

It's pretty common, really. Just ask Killtown.

 

[Gravy]

You are terribly kind my friend. There is so much to learn here I'd hate to be excluded from the company of such intellectual giants.

Is that a yes? I just want to be sure because Killtown gave an unqualified yes to starting a new thread where he would answer my questions, and when I started it, he refused to answer. By the way, I told him in advance what the questions were.

 

[mrfreeze]

I think that was what we in the business call "being sarcastic but doing it poorly"

 

[Gravy]

I think that was what we in the business call "being sarcastic but doing it poorly"

Well, hope springs eternal.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

To all who think I ignored and ducked Gravy's questions because I was being a coward, you need to know how it all started.

First, Gravy is "Murdervillage"...




Now how it first started....









So you see what Gravy was trying to do to get me to answer his question, being immature, sarcastic, and DECEPTIVE in egging me on to answer them (apparently he thought I was that stupid to fall for his trick). Then he says this:



And tops it off with...




The really sad part is most OCTs (Official Conspiracy Theorists) still hold him in high esteem and being credible.


Sad, just sad.

Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one debater maligns the character of another debater (e.g, "The members of the opposition are a couple of fascists!"), but this is actually not that common. A more typical manifestation of argumentum ad hominem is attacking a source of information -- for example, responding to a quotation from Richard Nixon on the subject of free trade with China by saying, "We all know Nixon was a liar and a cheat, so why should we believe anything he says?" Argumentum ad hominem also occurs when someone's arguments are discounted merely because they stand to benefit from the policy they advocate -- such as Bill Gates arguing against antitrust, rich people arguing for lower taxes, white people arguing against affirmative action, minorities arguing for affirmative action, etc. In all of these cases, the relevant question is not who makes the argument, but whether the argument is valid.

It is always bad form to use the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem. But there are some cases when it is not really a fallacy, such as when one needs to evaluate the truth of factual statements (as opposed to lines of argument or statements of value) made by interested parties. If someone has an incentive to lie about something, then it would be naive to accept his statements about that subject without question. It is also possible to restate many ad hominem arguments so as to redirect them toward ideas rather than people, such as by replacing "My opponents are fascists" with "My opponents' arguments are fascist."

sourece: http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum ad hominem

You may not like how he has interacted with you, but that does not invalidate any of his arguments against your claims.

 

[asmodean]

Equating truth seekers with anti semites is one heck of an original angle, really hadn't heard that one before. I'll give you an F for originality. I thought Kill was exagerhating about credibility and maturity.

Equating? Quoting Sword of Truth:

Suspecting what the Israeli/Palistine conflict is really about, the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not.... It is my belief that if the holocaust didn't happen, then Israel would not be a state right now. This alone gives strong evidence that the zionists behind getting Israel created would exaggerate the holocaust for their end means.
- Killtown at Loose Change

I've had my knuckles rapped once already for being less than civil with you, Killtown (unlike certain other message boards I can name, the rules here are enforced fairly and even handedly for all users) So I'm going to try to state this clearly without being vicious about it.

If you're going to dredge up someones comments from other boards to impugn thier character, then I would suggest that holocaust denial and anti-semitism are hardly a moral high ground from wich to make such arguments.
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[Senor_Pointy]

I'm up to version 1.337 now.

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...I can't believe I actually bothered to convert that back to characters. Thanks for wasting my morning.