OCT leader's maturity and credibility

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I'll explain if Dog Town apologizes for grossly insulting me.

Your false piety and feigned offense are wearing thin. Especially in light of your repugnant beliefs regarding those of a differing faith.

 

[Killtown]

Your false piety and feigned offense are wearing thin. Especially in light of your repugnant beliefs regarding those of a differing faith.

Hey Sword, what's that name you used to call me again?

 

[Gravy]

Still evading.

 

[Darat]

As a general guideline "attack the argument not the arguer". The opening post of this thread was inappropriate for this section of the forum (Conspiracy Theories). Personal issues one Member may have other Members are not what this section of the forum is about. I shall leave the thread in place however if it continues to be be nothing more then personal exchanges then I will move it to "Abandon All Hope".

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have a question for the UK truthers lurking here.

How would you feel if if it was The Blitz that Killtown was denying? Would you be so quick to cheer him on if it was YOUR grandparents and great grandparents that he was claiming never existed?

 

[Stellafane]

...He still hasn't explained the Jewish connection.

Since Killtown (eventually) referred me to his sig when I asked this question (repeatedly), I guess it's safe to assume he concluded a group of Israelis did it because he claims some picture or video exists that shows "five Israelis" allegedly celebrating the attack on the WTC. Of course, there were many other celebrations in various quarters that day. I remember seeing a wild party among a large group of Palestinians (way more than 5) on CNN. According to an eyewitness, a man of Middle Eastern appearance was celebrating on 9/11 on the Brooklyn Bridge while survivors were streaming across it to escape Manhattan on foot, smiling and chanting "My Arab brothers, my Arab brothers." (A policeman had to prevent a group of bystanders from tossing him off the bridge.)

Thus, based on Killtown's logic, we must conclude that 9/11 was a rare joint operation involving Israelis, Palestinians, Arabs, and who knows who else from among the Middle East menagerie. I know America isn't the most popular country in the world, but are we really so hated by everybody that even Israelis and Palestinians can put aside their differences and attack us?

 

[MortFurd]

Thus, based on Killtown's logic, we must conclude that 9/11 was a rare joint operation involving Israelis, Palestinians, Arabs, and who knows who else from among the Middle East menagerie.

You forgot the US gubmint. "They" organized the whole thing and bankrolled it, and covered it up afterwards by blaming it on some arabs.

 

[Stellafane]

You forgot the US gubmint. "They" organized the whole thing and bankrolled it, and covered it up afterwards by blaming it on some arabs.

So, am I the only one who didn't do it? C'mon guys, 'fess up, we're among friends here...

 

[MortFurd]

So, am I the only one who didn't do it? C'mon guys, 'fess up, we're among friends here...

Actually, the very fact that you can rationally discuss the subject and consider that there wasn't a government conspiracy automatically proves that you are a part of the conspiracy - either actively at the time of the attacks, or later as part of the cover up.

Damn. I'm beginning to scare myself. I had no idea my mind could construct such gibberish.


By the way:
I didn't do it either, and I don't believe there was a government conspiracy. I had no idea I'd managed to be recruited into the conspiracy without my knowledge. So, how's the pay?

 

[Stellafane]

Actually, the very fact that you can rationally discuss the subject and consider that there wasn't a government conspiracy automatically proves that you are a part of the conspiracy - either actively at the time of the attacks, or later as part of the cover up...

While reading the above, I could swear I heard the sound of one hand clapping (or maybe it was a tree in a forest with no one there).

In any case, I think I just ceased to exist. Or I think I did. Which means I must still exist. Or I just think I do. Or...

 

[Foolmewunz]

So, am I the only one who didn't do it? C'mon guys, 'fess up, we're among friends here...

Actually, I'm still not decided on the issue. I believe I didn't do it, but with the black choppers and gamma rays and invisicrete and such, I can't be sure I'm not just being deluded by the gummint into believing I'm innocent. I will have to keep an open mind on the subject. But I'm sure if I was involved, it was the gay Jews who made me do it.

 

[MortFurd]

Actually, I'm still not decided on the issue. I believe I didn't do it, but with the black choppers and gamma rays and invisicrete and such, I can't be sure I'm not just being deluded by the gummint into believing I'm innocent. I will have to keep an open mind on the subject. But I'm sure if I was involved, it was the gay Jews who made me do it.

It was the gay Jew Illuminati Rosacrucians who made us do the things we all saw that didn't happen.

And I sure as hell didn't not do it. I was in an office in Germany listening to it not happen on radio.

Wasn't I?

 

[chipmunk stew]

So, am I the only one who didn't do it? C'mon guys, 'fess up, we're among friends here...

Everyone knows Abby did it.

 

[gumboot]

(or maybe it was a tree in a forest with no one there).

Thanks to our dear friend Judy Wood we now know for certain that a tree falling over in a forest sounds exactly like the WTC collapsing - unless CD is involved, of course.

-Andrew

 

[Skeptic]

In Killtown's defense, I have to say it is possible to be a Holocaust denier *without* being a Nazi or being anti-Semetic.

In theory, or by a lone nut or two, maybe--I would say that, apart from Cole (who since recanted), David Icke is also technically a holocaust denier but not an antisemite--in his case, his holocaust denial stems from the fact that he thinks all accepted history is a lie engineered by shape-shifting seven-foot-tall alien lizards (I'm not making this up, honest!). There are, I presume, other cases where holocaust denial is more an expression of paranoia and mental illness than of hatered of jews as such. Icke might as well claim slavery, or ancient Egypt, never existed.

But apart from such isolated examples, 99.9% of holocaust deniers are obviously and blatantly antisemitic (oops, I mean, "anti-zionists", wink wink, nudge nudge) and almost invariably pro-Nazi. The point of holocaust denial is to make Nazism respectable again.

 

[valis]

In theory, or by a lone nut or two, maybe--I would say that, apart from Cole (who since recanted), David Icke is also technically a holocaust denier but not an antisemite--in his case, his holocaust denial stems from the fact that he thinks all accepted history is a lie engineered by shape-shifting seven-foot-tall alien lizards (I'm not making this up, honest!). There are, I presume, other cases where holocaust denial is more an expression of paranoia and mental illness than of hatered of jews as such. Icke might as well claim slavery, or ancient Egypt, never existed.

But apart from such isolated examples, 99.9% of holocaust deniers are obviously and blatantly antisemitic (oops, I mean, "anti-zionists", wink wink, nudge nudge) and almost invariably pro-Nazi. The point of holocaust denial is to make Nazism respectable again.

While it is true that the Holocoust denial crowd seems to be all Nazis and anti semites it is also true, at least as far as I can tell, that they have come up with some facts here and there that were widely ridiculed and later turned out to be true.

That is more than I can say for the 9/11 crowd. There arguments are based on far less substance that holocoust deniers/revisonists.

 

[Skeptic]

While it is true that the Holocoust denial crowd seems to be all Nazis and anti semites it is also true, at least as far as I can tell, that they have come up with some facts here and there that were widely ridiculed and later turned out to be true.

I doubt this very much. For the most part, the "shocking holes in the official holocaust story" (e.g., the soap made of human flesh, the existence of gas chambers in Dachau, etc.) were known to be untrue for historians--real historians--for a very long time. But such discoveries--REAL holocaust revisionism, e.g., changing our view of what happened based on facts, documents, etc., and finding out that they do not always fit the popular view that laymen have of the issue--are not holocaust denial, nor had anybody ever claimed that they were; nor does anybody think that those who proposed those "heretical" theories are antisemitic, let alone Nazis.

Holocaust deniers never propose anything that's new to historians. What the holocaust deniers do is "discover" what--for historians--is old news, show that it doesn't fit with what the lay public thinks is the case, and use this as evidence for a "coverup". This is the same type of reasoning as creationists do: they "discover" that biologists no longer consider evolution to be (for example) directed towards ever-"higher" life forms, compare this to the general public's view that the monkey's purpose was to eventually become man, and use this as "proof" that evolution is in some sort of "crisis" due to this disagreement.

They forget to mention that the evidence all points towards the fact that, "revisionism" notwithstanding, everybody in biology agrees that yes, evolution DID occur, and everybody in history agrees that, yes, six million jews and six million others were killed by the Nazis for the "crime" of existing.