Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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The tinfoil hatters will always insist it's a fake- without even looking at it..

No less a person than Ron Polland (the long-debunked "expert" mentioned by Corsi as having shown the short form to be a forgery) actually stated that outright, in an article at (where else?) The Post and Email.

For three years, this forged, one-sided image has been passed off as a “digital scan” of Obama’s birth certificate.”

I have seen this “new” “long-form” image before – and so has the P&E – as a black and white typed version with Madeline Dunham as the signatory, not Ann Dunham Obama.

Without looking at what the White House released, I know it is also a forgery. Right off the bat, Ann’s signature is forged.

And right after he pretty much accuses Obama's "long form" of being just an altered version of our old friend, the Blaine Document! In fact, that's how he knows the certificate that Obama just released is a fake...because they changed Obama's grandmother's signature to his mother's signature!

You read that right. Ron Polland knows Obama's long form is a forgery without even having to examine it, because it contains information different from a birth certificate that the very website he's saying that on acknowledged was a fake nearly three years ago!
 
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Just like the truth movement: "If there is no photo, it didn't happen; if there is a photo, it was faked."

Gotta love their circular arguments.
I once had a Truther tell me that the fact there is no evidence of a coverup is evidence OF a coverup.
I hope these conspiracy nuts never get called for jury duty...They'd let the guilty go free, and find the innocent guilty.
 
The tinfoil hatters will always insist it's a fake- without even looking at it..
No doubt Corsi will continue to endorse the CT but it warms my heart to know his book will likely see greater success in bargain bin then the best seller lists. :D
 
Let me get this straight.

A PI in Hawaii, who is not registered as a PI in Hawaii found a forged copy of Obama's birth certificate but did not release this as breaking news, and instead only told Mr Corsi about it and stored it in a box that got destroyed in repainting of his office.

I think Mr Corsi would be better off sticking with 'The dog ate it'.

:dl:

^ ^ ^ That dog is not laughing. It's choking on all the evidence that proves Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan! Quick, call a vet! I don't care about the dog but I need to get that evidence!
 
No doubt Corsi will continue to endorse the CT but it warms my heart to know his book will likely see greater success in bargain bin then the best seller lists. :D

This is a "green" thing as they publishers recycle unsold books returned from the stores.

In fact, i'm willing to bet that no stores are placing orders for the book right now.

They are all is Corsi's garage.
 
This is a "green" thing as they publishers recycle unsold books returned from the stores.

In fact, i'm willing to bet that no stores are placing orders for the book right now.

They are all is Corsi's garage.

There was a "Family Guy" episode where Brian was given all the unsold copies of his book Faster Than the Speed of Love, and they were in boxes that used shredded copies of his book as packing material.
 
Jerome Corsi and WND are getting ever more weirdly desperate in their attempts to salvage "Where's the Birth Certificate" from the remainder bin.

Now Corsi is upset that both Kapi'olani Hospital and the Hawaii Department of Health are tired of their stupid lies and insane conspiracy theories (especially when said theories cause them to start harassing state officials), and are telling Corsi and WND to STFU and GTFO.

In Honolulu last week, WND made repeated visits to the Hawaii Department of Health, asking to see Alvin Onaka, the state registrar whose stamp appears on the long-form birth certificate released to the public April 27 by the White House.

Each time, Onaka was either out of the office or claimed to be too busy to meet with WND.

Onaka did not return numerous WND phone messages asking for an appointment.

At Kapi'olani Medical Center's administrative offices at the hospital, WND was connected by telephone to spokeswoman Kristi Watanabe, who works out of Kapi'olani's downtown offices.

"We have sent your organization our official statement about the Obama birth certificate," Watanabe said sharply. "We have no further interest in communicating with your organization."

When WND protested that it was a news organization that had a few questions, Watanabe demanded, "Leave the premises immediately," adding, "We have no further interest in your questions."

Watanabe would not allow WND to ask if the hospital had medical patient records for Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, or if any existing records would be made available for public examination.

WND left Kapi'olani willingly, not wanting to be removed by Honolulu police.

When WND attempted to contact various employees of the Hawaii Department of Health, department spokeswoman Janice Okubo reached WND in Hawaii on cell phone.

Okubo instructed WND to make no further attempts to come to the Hawaii Department of Health premises or to contact employees, insisting that all inquiries to the department were now being referred to Gov. Neil Abercrombie's office for response from the governor's spokeswoman, Donalyn Dela Cruz.

Okubo did not allow WND to ask if a copy of Obama's birth certificate was available for public inspection or if the original document would be made available for professional forensic examination.

Dela Cruz did not return WND phone calls.

I see Corsi's a comedian, too; he described WND as a "news organization".

:dl:

There's also a quote from Hawaii's only Republican state senator (who, not coincidentally, is also a birther), wondering why there's no plaque or special area at the hospital to commemorate the fact that it's the facility where Obama was born, as if that's something particularly suspicious.

Perhaps the senator and/or Corsi can point to similar ways that the hospitals where George W. Bush or Clinton were born commemorate those events.

I mean, it's not like this article from World Net Daily noted:

Even if Obama affirmed that he sent the letter to Kapi'olani and earlier reports of his birth at Queens were mistaken, however, there would still be obstacles with erecting any sort of monument or museum at the site.

Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.

Carter was the first president to be born in a hospital, at Wise Sanitarium in Plains, Ga. The former hospital is now the Lillian G. Carter Nursing Center, named after the president's mother, who worked there as a registered nurse, but to this day, no plaque or monument otherwise denotes the facility as Jimmy Carter's birthplace.

The National Park Service operates a park in Plains, honoring Carter's boyhood farm, but not the birthplace.

President Clinton was born in a hospital in Arkansas that has since burned down and is the only hospital birthplace of a president currently displaying a marker.

The third president born in a medical facility, George W. Bush, was welcomed into the world in 1946 at the Grace–New Haven Community Hospital – later renamed the Yale–New Haven Hospital – in New Haven, Conn.

No plaques or monuments mark the hospital as Bush's birthplace, though the communications office does have a 2-page information packet on the birth and the history of the hospital at the time, including a biographical paragraph on the doctor who attended the 43rd president's birth.

The hypocritical dishonesty on display is outright staggering.

Corsi's whine concludes with a retreat to de Vattelist nonsense:

"There is nothing more that Governor Abercrombie can do within the law to produce the document," Dela Cruz told the newspaper.

The spokeswoman was attempting to explain why Abercrombie had failed to produce Obama's long-form birth certificate to end the the eligibility controversy as he had promised upon taking office in January.

"Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president," she said, apparently unaware of the distinction between "citizenship" and the "natural born citizen" requirement of Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Yes, Obama's certificate was faked and the entire state of Hawaii is in on the coverup, but that doesn't matter anyway since even Corsi and his loony cohorts accept that it's totally valid and genuine, Obama still isn't eligible to be President.

Which kind of makes one wonder why they're expending all this effort to crack this "conspiracy" and prove a forgery, when the certificate as released apparently is enough to get Obama removed from office.
 
I can't read that without feeling jus a little jealous. :D
Bugger. I normally catch my typos, perhaps Freud was onto something.
Actually I did have a good time there


Fringe is fringe. There is no accounting for the nutbars and their beliefs.
True. Remember Dana.

Just noticed your location and according to somebodies Law, you are most likely my next door neighbour.
Are you near the airport?
 
Uh, oh...looks like Corsi has dug up some new mysterious documents, this time saying that the US Ambassador to Kenya asked Kenyan officials in 2008 to check on whether Obama might have been born in Kenya.

Conveniently, one of these documents says "intelligence reports" have noted that Obama might have been born at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, but that "some documents have been removed by unknown persons at unknown dates or are missing from birth registry records thus denting the prospects of uncovering the facts of this matter."

Here are the two documents:

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Naturally, Corsi and WND aren't saying where they got these documents from. They also don't say when, though at the bottom of the article it says "Ranneberger was not immediately available because he is in the process of returning to the U.S."

Ranneberger's term as Ambassador just ended, so it's likely that WND just stumbled across these documents very very recently.

Now, while it's possible that these documents are authentic without conclusive evidence otherwise, there are some odd features about them. For one thing, the grammar is oddly poor, and a number of word are just plain misused (the odd choice of "efficacy", for instance).

But there's an even bigger oddity.

Take a look at these two Kenyan government documents from sources other than Corsi and WND.
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Look at the dates on these two letters, then look at the dates on Corsi's documents. The non-WND letters have the date format in European/British style (Kenya was, until fifty years ago, part of the British Empire).

Why do the Corsi/WND documents instead have the dates in American date format?
 
Now Corsi is upset that both Kapi'olani Hospital and the Hawaii Department of Health are tired of their stupid lies and insane conspiracy theories (especially when said theories cause them to start harassing state officials), and are telling Corsi and WND to STFU and GTFO.

The sense of entitlement is staggering. It's just so easy to picture one of them saying, "My taxes pay your salary, pal!"
 
Because, since we elected one of their own as our president, they're strivign to be more like us in their date notations.
 
Why do the Corsi/WND documents instead have the dates in American date format?

Because they aren´t genuine?

Something else I wonder about... the Corsi documents are the first letters I have ever seen in my life that have the subject line (the "RE:...") after the "Dear Somebody,...". Weird...
 
Bugger. I normally catch my typos, perhaps Freud was onto something.
Actually I did have a good time there
I always seem to manage to let one slip through myself :D

True. Remember Dana.

Who could forget. One of our more cringeworthy episodes. She still rears her head the odd time. I actually met her once before she got into politics.

Are you near the airport?

Glasnevin.

ETA: All my life. My grandfather bought this house in 1932 for the princely sum of 895 very old pounds.

ETA2: And I worked in the airport to fund my student years. Ah, the memories.
 
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