Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Johny2x4]

I read on a site that using a computer program it was possible to forge a certificate. Is it possible on a theorical level?

 

[abaddon]

I read on a site that using a computer program it was possible to forge a certificate. Is it possible on a theorical level?

Yep, it is in theory possible to fake pretty much anything.

Why else would criminals fake bank notes?

The big difference for the Obama thing is plenty of folks are prepared to stand over the documents.

You won't find many standing over forged bank notes.

 

[Johny2x4]

Yep, it is in theory possible to fake pretty much anything.

Why else would criminals fake bank notes?

The big difference for the Obama thing is plenty of folks are prepared to stand over the documents.

You won't find many standing over forged bank notes.

Well, the newst argument is the use of libreoffice.

 

[abaddon]

Well, the newst argument is the use of libreoffice.

That's an MSOffice free clone as far as I know.

Care to expand on that? I don't see the relevance.

 

[Johny2x4]

That's an MSOffice free clone as far as I know.

Care to expand on that? I don't see the relevance.

Sorry, the blog I saw told how it was possible to use libreofice to forge a birth certificate.

 

[abaddon]

Sorry, the blog I saw told how it was possible to use libreofice to forge a birth certificate.

Ah, I see what you are getting at.

On a daily basis, I use photoshop, illustrator, acrobat, quark and a whole shopping list of software you likely have never heard of.

Could I fake up such a certificate? Of course I could.

Here is the big problem though, (and most likely the reason the CT folks back off). Could I get an entire state of the USA to go along with it?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Sorry, the blog I saw told how it was possible to use libreofice to forge a birth certificate.

I have a feeling that LibreOffice was suggested only because it's capable of exporting documents as PDFs, and not because the person has actually tried to make a convincing forgery.

 

[I Am The Scum]

If someone had enough time on their hands, they could fake any image on the planet using MS Paint.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Sorry, the blog I saw told how it was possible to use libreofice to forge a birth certificate.

Did the blog say how it was possible to use libreoffice to make senior officials of the state government make a public statement that the forgery was genuine?

Dave

 

[kookbreaker]

Did the blog say how it was possible to use libreoffice to make senior officials of the state government make a public statement that the forgery was genuine?

Turns out 'Clippy' has some serious mind-control powers.

 

[A Laughing Baby]

If hating bad comedy is wrong, Baby, I don't wanna be right.

:goonsay:

 

[CORed]

If someone had enough time on their hands, they could fake any image on the planet using MS Paint.

Yes, but if you want to create your Fake Obama Birth Certificate before Obama's second term is over, you might want to use something better.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Yes, but if you want to create your Fake Obama Birth Certificate before Obama's second term is over, you might want to use something better.

I agree, but my point is that whenever a digital image is presented, and the question is asked, "Could this image be fake?" the answer is always yes. That possibility always exists, no matter what the image depicts.

 

[A'isha]

It looks like Joseph Farah is doubling down on Corsi's bargain-bin-before-release book. And he's spinning some hysterically hypocritical lies as he does so. In his editorial today, he says:

It was about three weeks ago that Jerome Corsi, author of "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President," called me with some disturbing news.

In response to the success of his book (No. 1 at Amazon in pre-release stage) and the elevation of the eligibility issue because of Donald Trump's big megaphone, his sources in Hawaii were telling him that Barack Obama was about to release a fraudulent birth certificate.

Corsi urged that WND report the story. But because of the nature of the warnings, I didn't think it would be meaningful. What good would it do to report that unnamed sources investigating Obama's eligibility expected him to do something he had resisted doing for two-and-a-half years? Details were thin. Who would pay attention?

Really? Jerome Corsi's Super-Secret Hawaiian Informant Network (did that include unlicensed not-a-PI Irei?) knew that Obama was about to release a "fraudulent" birth certificate even before the press conference where it was released, but you were wary about publishing information from "unnamed sources"?

And you say this in the same week you let Corsi publish mysterious documents of completely unknown provenance that bear suspicious oddities and without verifying them at all, as well as cite an utterly laughable "document analysis" of a forgery whose origin and history is well-known (to everyone but Corsi and Farah, natch), that was posted by some totally pseudonymous guy on Facebook?!

Why do I have the teeny tiny inkling in the back of my mind that Farah might be being slightly less-than-truthful about being told before the long form release that a fraudulent document was forthcoming?

He concludes with this gem:

I know it goes against all conventional wisdom today to say this, but we may be witnessing the final days of the Barack Obama regime.

 

[ryanebelhar]

The U.S. government is on record questioning President Obama's citizenship status as early as when he was 5 years old, stating it lacked documentation to determine his citizenship, WND has learned.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=295749

Gahhhh

 

[A'isha]

The U.S. government is on record questioning President Obama's citizenship status as early as when he was 5 years old, stating it lacked documentation to determine his citizenship, WND has learned.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=295749

Gahhhh

Yeah, WND loves those headlines which say pretty much the exact opposite of even what they themselves say in the articles.

From that particular one:

Benson's query stated, "There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse's son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant's child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a)."

The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a "child" as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a "stepchild," whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the "age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred."

A response to Benson's inquiry came from one "W.L. Mix" of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.

Mix replied: "Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants' spouse's child by a former marriage."

"The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants' spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant's step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child's mother on March 5, 1965."

Sure, the US "questioned" Obama's citizenship status when was 5...until the answer they got right at the time said, "Nope, he's totally a citizen, born in Hawaii."

Sheesh...

 

[9/11-investigator]

It is official: Obama born in Kenya

Obama's birth certificate has been found in Kenya.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/11/05/Obama_birthplace.html

Here is the solution to the riddle:

Coast Provincial General Hospital , Mombasa , Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA !).
Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth.”

Note the footprint on the document.

Touching.

 

[Spindrift]

I'm assuming this will be merged with the CT sub-forum thread.

How exactly does one "register a birth"?

How did she get there in time and where did she get the money for the plane flight? In 1961 it would have taken days and cost a fortune. It's sad when hoaxers don't have any knowledge of history.

 

[Cleon]

Oh, look, yet another "original" Kenya birth certificate. This one found by David Irving, no less.

Yeah, I'm sure this is legit.

 

[A'isha]

Obama's birth certificate has been found in Kenya.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/11/05/Obama_birthplace.html

Here is the solution to the riddle:

Coast Provincial General Hospital , Mombasa , Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA !).
Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth.”

Note the footprint on the document.

Touching.

You're way late to the party. That's the fake that Lucas Smith (a man actually once convicted of forgery) has been trying to pass around for years now.

See here for why it's a laughable fraud.

EDIT: Bwahahah! Not only did you (natch) not know about these ancient forgeries until David Irving told you about them, but Irving also thinks the other "Kenyan" birth certificate is real! You know, the one modified from an Australian birth certificate for a man named David Bomford and that the hoaxter himself revealed as a hoax? Someone even made an online Kenyan Birth Certificate Generator based on that!

Irving is such a moron.