Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.
The funniest part of this entire story if you ask me, Terry Lakin will be out of jail in a week after spending 6 months there for his birtherism. I'm sure he will be pissed that Obama let him go to jail rather than release his long-form, but released it just to **** with Donald Trump and the Republicans (Actually his fatherly tone that he just wants the media and his enemies to focus on the issues is marginally believable as well")

Apparently the whole Obama vs. High Command story comes from "insider sources" that only talk to the kooks?

Oh the best one yet is "Obama removed an American Flag at Ground Zero" If there weren't so many millions of them perhaps we could launch a public health campaign to help them out? I mean Stewart and Colberts Rally for Sanity was a start but really, we need scientific medicine, I'm afraid.
 
Last edited:

I saw that.

What gets me is how (as usual by now) it's a claim that's so trivially proven wrong.

610x.jpg


I mean, photos of the event show that the flag is right *********** there!
 
The funniest part of this entire story if you ask me, Terry Lakin will be out of jail in a week after spending 6 months there for his birtherism. I'm sure he will be pissed that Obama let him go to jail rather than release his long-form, but released it just to **** with Donald Trump and the Republicans (Actually his fatherly tone that he just wants the media and his enemies to focus on the issues is marginally believable as well")

Apparently the whole Obama vs. High Command story comes from "insider sources" that only talk to the kooks?

Oh the best one yet is "Obama removed an American Flag at Ground Zero" If there weren't so many millions of them perhaps we could launch a public health campaign to help them out? I mean Stewart and Colberts Rally for Sanity was a start but really, we need scientific medicine, I'm afraid.
The aggressive patriotism of the Right is both sad and laughable at the same time. Even if he HAD taken the flag down, this (and other reactions) are overreactions to say the least:


This administration and, by extension, the Democrat Party are now so thoroughly divorced from the history, traditions and morals of America that we might as well admit the Marxist left has executed a successful coup d'état on this Republic.


It seems they believe the more American flag bumper stickers you have, the more you say "God bless America", the more patriotic you become.
 
I saw that.

What gets me is how (as usual by now) it's a claim that's so trivially proven wrong.

[qimg]http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/antpogo/610x.jpg[/qimg]

I mean, photos of the event show that the flag is right *********** there!

How come the man he's sharing the wreath with appears to have three legs!!!eleventy!!!
 
That's the 1970's. Welcome Back, Kotter.

If this keeps up, it'll be about 3 or 4 pages before we're cursing at each other in Aramaic.

He's just saying not to use it because (if his avatar is any indication) he's a member of a forum that doesn't like 4chan or anything that has the slightest bit to do with 4chan.

If hating bad comedy is wrong, Baby, I don't wanna be right.
 
ANTPogo: I wouldn't mind - thought it was Osaka for some reason..

It is Osaka, actually. It's from a piece of fan-art which has Osaka pretending to be various mobile suits from the Gundam franchise.

The one in my avatar is her using the knives from the episode where she tried to wake up Yukari, and imitating the blade-armed MA-04X Zakrello.
 
Last edited:
I'm not sure I buy the racism motive. Is there still that much in the US?
Yes. I loved in the US for a total of three years and racism is alive and well, just not as openly expressed with strangers.
Beyond race there is a faction within the Republican party that cannot accept that a Democratic president could be elected. ergo something must be wrong.
Finally there are a few lunatic fringe Hillary Clinton fans who, likewise, refuse to accept someone other than her could be president.
 
Yes. I loved in the US for a total of three years
I can't read that without feeling jus a little jealous. :D

and racism is alive and well, just not as openly expressed with strangers.
Possibly true, I spend quite some time between here and there, but haven't seen such.
Beyond race there is a faction within the Republican party that cannot accept that a Democratic president could be elected. ergo something must be wrong.
Finally there are a few lunatic fringe Hillary Clinton fans who, likewise, refuse to accept someone other than her could be president.
Fringe is fringe. There is no accounting for the nutbars and their beliefs.

Just noticed your location and according to somebodies Law, you are most likely my next door neighbour.
 
It seems that Jerome Corsi is being driven to ever-higher levels of insanity by the release of Obama's long form two weeks before his now laughably-titled book "Where's the Birth Certificate?" was due to be released.

And, of course, World Net Daily is more than happy to let him spew his nonsense all over their pages.

He drags out the forgery known as the "Blaine Document", first released by none other than Orly Taitz back on October 19, 2009 (the name comes from the person Orly claims sent it to her, one William Blaine. Of course, "expert researcher" Jerome Corsi apparently couldn't track that down, and instead only says it appears in this March 18, 2010 article from the Aloha Reporter. He also notes "There is no explanation of the image."

Well, other than first being passed around by lawyer-loon Taitz, but apparently Corsi is completely unaware of that.

Here's the certificate:

050411forg2.jpg


(larger version here)

Anyone who's been following these threads should be able to immediately spot the giant blaring neon sign that screams "OBVIOUS FORGERY". But, typically, Corsi has no clue, and instead focuses on a bigger mystery that he says connects the forgery to the recently-released Obama long form: the pencil markings.

An analysis posted on Facebook by GoodTryBarry shows that markings on the Kenya document appear to be the same as markings on the White House release.

That's right; showing a desperate gullibility that would make Pam Geller proud, Corsi cites some guy on Facebook!

Although Corsi notes that the Nordyke certificates have the same sort of pencil markings (despite denying that in the previous article I posted about earlier), he makes the rather grandiose claim that the marks on the Blaine Document are uniquely identical to the marks on the long form Obama just released, such as this number 2:

050411forg1.jpg


Unfortunately for Corsi, the marks aren't nearly as unique as he claims (the X's above the "This Birth" choices appear on the Nordyke's certificates, for instance). And they match another certificate a lot closer than they do Obama's.

This certificate, in fact (note the same number 2):

colb.jpg


That image can be found in this June 10, 2009 republishing of a "retired CIA investigator's" report, on the website Western Center for Journalism, where it's tagged "Actual long form Certificate of Live Birth similar to one Obama refuses to release".

(Fun sidenote: the Western Center for Journalism was founded by none other than World Net Daily's own Joseph Farah).

Now, that report itself is a mess of birther nonsense, hitting nearly every discredited canard in the book (including citing Ron Polland's laughable "proof" that Obama's short form was a forgery, exhaustively debunked by an actual expert over here). But take a close look at the above image, and compare it to the Blaine Document.

Not just the pencil marks are the same, but note how the large white redactions carried over. The lack of a file number in the Blaine Document, for instance, or the reason why the Blaine Document's time of birth is fully typed, rather than having a preprinted M (for AM or PM) as in the Obama and Nordyke certificates - the white redactions cover them. Note also the breaks in the lines surrounding the fields, and how missing lines in the Blaine Document correspond rather neatly to where the white redactions cover the lines in the WCJ certificate...and even correspond to the obviously-redrawn bottom line in the "Signature of Local Registrar" field (and how the name of that field is partially cut off on the bottom).

Now compare that redacted blank to the 1963 certificate posted by that blogger back in June of 2008 (spoilered for image size):

hawaiibirthcertificate1.jpg


Compare the pencil marks, and where the signatures stretch beyond the redactions.

Someone took that partially-redacted 1963 certificate, whited out almost everything, and put it up at Western Center for Journalism. Then either that same person or someone else took that entirely-redacted version, and produced the Blaine Document forgery. This has been obvious since at least April 30 of this year. And Jerome "Master researcher who wrote a book!" Corsi is totally unaware of anything except a Hawaii regional newspaper posted it on their website last year, and some guy on Facebook claims it has marks that uniquely match Obama's.

Even though Corsi acknowledges that the Blaine Document is a forgery at the top of the article, in the main part of it he tries very hard to imply that it's not as fake as everyone might think. He tries to use all the above to establish a connection between it and the actual Obama certificate, claiming that they both contain the same marks that are not found anywhere else. He even suggests that "either of the documents could have been copied from the other," and in the headline for the article, the word "forgery" appears in scare quotes.

,The Blaine Document, though, is a screamingly obvious forgery, clearly made by copying a certificate that was definitely not Obama's. The name of Obama's grandmother is misspelled in the signature, for instance. The "II" is listed next to Obama's first name, making his legal name at birth (per that document) Barack II Hussein Obama, not the actual (and far less nonsensical) Barack Hussein Obama II.

The real smoking gun, though, is the neon sign I mentioned above. It's the notation in the "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration" box. Here's what Corsi says about it:

Among other things, the "Certificate of Live Birth" on the Reporter page says, "Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother."

Obama's grandmother can't have registered his birth in Hawaii under HRS 338-17.8. HRS 338-17.8 didn't exist, in any form, until 1982!

The fact that Corsi not only had no idea where this "mysterious" document came from, but is willing to entertain the possibility that it's not a hideously obvious (and rather lame) forgery shows just how inept and intellectually bankrupt both he and World Net Daily really are.
 
Last edited:
Okay, even more hysterically, Corsi published another WND article the same day, with virtually the same claims.

In it, he repeats the claims of a "Hawaii detective", Takeyuki Irei (who, strangely, doesn't appear listed as a private investigator in Hawaii when you search for his name here) that there were actually three forged birth certificates for Obama, the one released by the White House, the Blaine Document (described above), and one listing Queens Hospital as Obama's birthplace.

So why haven't we seen this Queens Hospital certificate anywhere?

Irei said he kept the copy of the Queens document on file until about two months ago when his office was being repainted. The folder holding the birth certificate was among some 20 boxes of old records that were destroyed in the cleanup.

:dl:
 
Let me get this straight.

A PI in Hawaii, who is not registered as a PI in Hawaii found a forged copy of Obama's birth certificate but did not release this as breaking news, and instead only told Mr Corsi about it and stored it in a box that got destroyed in repainting of his office.

I think Mr Corsi would be better off sticking with 'The dog ate it'. Less details to keep track of and much more believable.
 
Let me get this straight.

A PI in Hawaii, who is not registered as a PI in Hawaii found a forged copy of Obama's birth certificate but did not release this as breaking news, and instead only told Mr Corsi about it and stored it in a box that got destroyed in repainting of his office.

Even better is Mr. Irei's reason for sitting on the Queens certificate:

Irei said he was provided a copy of the document indicating a Queens birthplace but ascribed no importance to it. He explained that he was focused on finding evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, which he thought would provide a financial windfall.

That's right: he didn't say anything, because he was too busy trying to prove that Obama was really born in Kenya, because he was greedy for money. I mean, how can you not trust a man like that, right?

Oh, and it seems Irei is as bad of a PI as Corsi is a "researcher":

He [Irei] also said a likeness of the certificate indicating a Kenyan birthplace was published more than a year ago by a website that presented itself as a Hawaiian news organization. Later, it spread virally even though it was rejected as fraudulent by investigators, because the purported signature of Obama's maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was misspelled.

He can't figure out that it was first passed around by Orly six months before the "Hawaiian news organization" put it in one of their articles, nor that it was derived from a redacted certificate posted on one of Farah's own websites!

Poor Corsi. Down at the bottom of that article:

Note: Media interested in interviewing Jerome Corsi beginning next Tuesday when his book is officially released should email [email protected].

"Someone? Please? Come on, anyone?"
 
As further evidence of the ineptitude of both Corsi as a "researcher" and Irei as a "investigator", here's the seditionist birther cesspool The Post and Email talking about the Blaine Document on October 20, 2009, six months before it mysteriously appeared for what Corsi and Irei apparently believe was the first time.

The forgery was so obvious that even those nutcases, who totally believe the Ulsterman coup story, think the Blaine Document is a total fake!

EDIT: Even as they breathlessly report on what Corsi and Irei say!
 
Last edited:
Obama unknowingly issued a one two punch to the likes of Corsi and his birth certificate ambitions by releasing his long form. Nice going Obama. ;)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom