Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Juniversal]

I'm not sure I buy the racism motive. Is there still that much in the US?

BTW, how about that buck?

You'll find racist are overrepresented in the birther movement for obvious reasons. But i'd say politics (i.e. partisan hackery) is also a very big motive. Then you also have your paranoid conspiracy types that buy into just about any "NWO/illuminati" CT which birtherism would fall under, that seem to be a sizable constituency of the birthers.

 

[Swagomatic]

The PEE and EE is nothing compared to Theresa Cao's website ( http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com ) -- who is the famous birther who interrupted the reading of the Constitution during the Congressional opener and arrested - Currently on trial for that - she has fired all three of her public defenders.


Oh and Dr. Kate's (aka Dr. Hate) vile website:
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/

Thank you for the links? Now I need some brain cleaner.

 

[abaddon]

You'll find racist are overrepresented in the birther movement for obvious reasons. But i'd say politics (i.e. partisan hackery) is also a very big motive. Then you also have your paranoid conspiracy types that buy into just about any "NWO/illuminati" CT which birtherism would fall under, that seem to be a sizable constituency of the birthers.

Are they connected with the dudes in bedsheets? Thats not the kind of detail we get over here.

 

[Juniversal]

Are they connected with the dudes in bedsheets? Thats not the kind of detail we get over here.

The dudes in bedsheets haven't been relevant since the early 90's after David Dukes failed Presidential run. The racist are generally random folks who grew up with the values of old America whose birtherism is an extension of their racism.

 

[abaddon]

The dudes in bedsheets haven't been relevant since the early 90's after David Dukes failed Presidential run. The racist are generally random folks who grew up with the values of old America whose birtherism is an extension of their racism.

Honestly, the racist side to the thing is a "WTF" moment for most europeans.

 

[Juniversal]

Honestly, the racist side to the thing is a "WTF" moment for most europeans.

Considering racism was a huge segment of our history it's no surprise the sentiment is lingering in our culture. Thankfully the aggressively racist folks seem to a dying breed (though our illegal immigration problem is seemingly reigniting much of the dormant racism).

You still call people 'Dude?' Man, what a square!

Shut up you jive turkey!!

 

[A'isha]

Wow, that site is one huge steaming pile of crazy.

Tell me about it.

And The Post and Email, via one of its regular contributors of lies and nonsense Miki Booth, is the sole source of the one and only certified long-form besides the one for Obama issued by the state of Hawaii after May, 2001. It purportedly was issued March 15, 2011...except that it's completely anonymous (all information has been redacted) there's no receipt for it (randman claims there is, but has repeatedly refused to back up this claim), it first appeared as an uncertified plain white paper photocopy on the Post and Email two days after the date the certified copy was stamped with, and Booth has yet to explain why she had to provide this anonymous certificate supposedly from a friend of hers, instead of getting one for her husband or son (both born in Hawaii). Especially since Booth certainly hasn't been shy about posting unredacted versions of the long forms her son and husband were issued at birth (long before 2001), or posting the unredacted version of her son's short form issued in 2010.

Miki Booth has also been spreading that same Ulsterman story, as well.

 

[Arus808]

Dr. Nitrous Sniffing Taitz isn't going to let the Appeals court run her down. There is another docket entry in her ongoing case: Barnett & Keyes v Obama.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54735191/...f-supplemental-authorities-TransportRoom-43-0

05/05/2011 43 Filed (ECF) Appellants Capt. Pamela Barnett, Richard Norton Bauerbach, Capt. Robin D. Biron, Col. John D. Blair, Mr. David L. Bosley, Ms. Loretta G. Bosley, Capt. Harry G. Butler, Rep. Glenn Casada, Jennifer Leah Clark, Timothy Comerford, Charles Crusemire, Thomas S. Davidson, Rep. Cynthia Davis, Matthew Michael Edwards, Lt. Jason Freese, Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua, Officer Clint Grimes, Julliett Ireland, D. Andrew Johnson, Israel D. Jones, Timothy Jones, Alan Keyes, Ph. D., David Fullmer LaRoque, Gail Lightfoot, Lita M. Lott, Major David Grant Mosby, Steven Kay Neuenschwander, Frank Niceley, Robert Lee Perry, Col. Harry Riley, Sgt. Jeffrey Wayne Rosner, Capt. David Smithey, John Bruce Steidel, Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth, Rep. Eric Swafford, Capt. Neil B. Turner, Richard E. Venable, Jeff Graham Winthrope and Mark Wriggle in 10-55084, - Capt. Pamela Barnett, Richard Norton Bauerbach, Capt. Robin D. Biron, Col. John D. Blair, Mr. David L. Bosley, Ms. Loretta G. Bosley, Capt. Harry G. Butler, Rep. Glenn Casada, Timothy Comerford, Charles Crusemire, Thomas S. Davidson, Rep. Cynthia Davis, Matthew Michael Edwards, Lt. Jason Freese, Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua, Officer Clint Grimes, Julliett Ireland, D. Andrew Johnson, Israel D. Jones, Timothy Jones, Alan Keyes, Ph. D., David Fullmer LaRoque, Gail Lightfoot, Lita M. Lott, Major David Grant Mosby, Steven Kay Neuenschwander, Frank Niceley, Robert Lee Perry, Col. Harry Riley, Sgt. Jeffrey Wayne Rosner, Jeffrey Schwilk, Capt. David Smithey, John Bruce Steidel, Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth, Rep. Eric Swafford, Thomas J. Taylor, Capt. Neil B. Turner, Richard E. Venable and Jeff Graham Winthrope in 09-56827 citation of supplemental authorities. Date of service: 05/05/2011. [7742170] [10-55084, 09-56827] (OT)

Her reason?

Undersigned would like to remind this court that she filed this action on the Inauguration day. Defendant, Mr. Obama, could not memorize the oath of office and Chief Justice Roberts had to come back to the White House and give Mr. Obama a make up oath. By that time Taitz already filed this legal action. As such, the timing was perfect: it was executed after the legislative process ran its course and before the defendant, Mr. Obama, was sworn in..

news Orly: You were 4 hours late on filing. As of 12:39 PM PST, Obama was sworn in. You filed at 4pm PST.



but in her "rush" she erroneously place the wrong title page and had to update

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54736417/...f-supplemental-authorities-TransportRoom-44-0

 

[CptColumbo]

Dr. Nitrous Sniffing Taitz isn't going to let the Appeals court run her down. There is another docket entry in her ongoing case: Barnett & Keyes v Obama.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54735191/...f-supplemental-authorities-TransportRoom-43-0

Her reason?

news Orly: You were 4 hours late on filing. As of 12:39 PM PST, Obama was sworn in. You filed at 4pm PST.

but in her "rush" she erroneously place the wrong title page and had to update

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54736417/...f-supplemental-authorities-TransportRoom-44-0

How can someone pass the bar exam, and know so little about the constitution?

The swearimg in is a formality since the 20th ammendment was ratified. Also, no President, who was recorded taking the oath, has said it exactly the way it was written in the Constitution.

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

And notice how she says it was Obama, and not the Chief Justice who "couldn't memorize" the oath. If I remember right, the justice tried to do it from memory, flubbed it, and the flub threw Obama off as he recognized it.

She's just dying to call him a "dumb ******"

 

[skip]

Tell me about it.

I have to say that I think your avatar is remarkably appropriate for this topic. Every time I think of Birthers I think of you pulling your hair out yelling.. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY… !!! It’s Great…

 

[I Am The Scum]

I have to say that I think your avatar is remarkably appropriate for this topic. Every time I think of Birthers I think of you pulling your hair out yelling.. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY… !!! It’s Great…

That girl is not pulling her hair. It's a pair of knives.

 

[Upchurch]

That girl is not pulling her hair. It's a pair of knives.

Suddenly, it's even more appropriate.

 

[ktesibios]

That girl is not pulling her hair. It's a pair of knives.

Also, her head appears to be on backwards.

 

[Upchurch]

Also, her head appears to be on backwards.

She's on her knees.


(no jokes please.)

 

[A'isha]

The source of my avatar and the story behind the knife thing would really only be of interest to (or probably make sense to) someone with at least a passing familiarity with certain aspects of Japanese pop culture.

But I'd be happy to explain, if anyone wants.

 

[A Laughing Baby]

Thank you.

Though I do confess to an inordinate fondness for the term "fail". It's simultaneously so succinct, and yet so rich in nuance.

But I shall endeavor to use other synonyms from here on out.

He's just saying not to use it because (if his avatar is any indication) he's a member of a forum that doesn't like 4chan or anything that has the slightest bit to do with 4chan. But he's still right--every time someone I know says "fail" in that sense, I die a little inside.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

I'm not sure I buy the racism motive. Is there still that much in the US?

BTW, how about that buck?

It is ALL about racism/xenophobia.
This isn't a constitutional debate because the 14th amendment declares those born here to be citizens. With the release of two legally binding proofs of birth this isn't even about the facts surrounding his birth.

Our president was asked to present his birth certificate to prove that he, the sitting President of the United States, was born in this country.

The underlying racism must be apparent to anyone. At the root of this are ideas like "is he really one of us?". Then there's trumps other questions "how did he get in to Harvard if he was a bad student?", and "How did he get into Columbia if he was a poor student at Occidental?", and the implication is "I have rich friends and their kids are bright and they can't get into Harvard" Trump won't spit it out but he's implying that Obama needed to utilize Affirmative Action in getting into Columbia and Harvard and become the President of the Harvard Law Review (He also graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude at HARVARD!!! How much more do you need him to do to prove he was a top notch?). It's a very strong wink and nod to racism and i have lost respect for Trump for fanning those flames irregardless of whether he actually believes it or not.

 

[A'isha]

Hey, remember when Donald Trump claimed on The View that no one remembered Obama from kindergarten, and denied that there were even any pictures?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwhiuYPE1d0

EDIT: Apparently I did the yt code thing wrong, so here's a straight URL link.

 

[A'isha]

Oh, and regarding Ulsterman's fiction that was brought up here by randman, and is currently being touted by Pam Geller, Miki Booth, and Sharon Rondeau, the story about a "temporary" coup against Obama, where military officials forced Obama to act against Bin Laden, overrode his attempts to abort the mission, and totally ignored and marginalized him as the mission happened.

That was taken today, as Obama visited Ft. Campbell in Kentucky. Those are troops who have just returned from deployment in Afghanistan. Ft. Campbell was also, by amusingly ironic coincidence, where soon-to-be-former-LTC Terry Lakin was ordered to report to prior to his own deployment, but refused to because he didn't believe the short form Obama had released to the public.

Over at the Post and Email, Sharon Rondeau, Walter Fitzpatrick, and the pseudononymous racist loon known as "OnePissedOffVietnamVet" repeatedly urge the military to rise up and overthrow Obama.

I think they, and Ulsterman, are fated to remain sadly disappointed.