Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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abaddon said:
Speaking as an impartial observer, (Ireland if you must know, can you spare a buck?) what are these birthers getting out of all these fabrications? Book sales? Online subscriptions? Ego stroking?
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Validation that there is no way America could have legitimately elected a black president.

ETA: That's what they're looking for, not that they are finding it.
 
abaddon said:
I'm not sure I buy the racism motive. Is there still that much in the US?
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Unfortunately, yes. It is just no longer polite to flaunt it so much, so instead of calling Obama a ******, they just claim he is muslim.
 
abaddon said:
Speaking as an impartial observer, (Ireland if you must know, can you spare a buck?) what are these birthers getting out of all these fabrications? Book sales? Online subscriptions? Ego stroking?
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Well, as I noted above, Corsi has a book coming out (published by Farah's World Net Daily), so that's probably at least partially their motive. The other part is just partisan hackery - Obama is a Democrat, and therefore the Enemy. It's notable that back during the campaign when Hillary Clinton was the likely Democratic nominee and the first birther lawsuit was filed by a Clinton supporter, they published an article debunking pretty much the whole thing. They even specifically noted that the forgery accusations (yes, the very ones they let Geller post on WND today) were false, as well as a whole slew of the other birther nonsense they wholeheartedly embrace now via Corsi.

People like Pam Geller and the other bloggers who are spreading the Ulsterman story, though, are doing it purely because they hate Obama (for whatever reason, though racism appears to be at least a major factor, based on the things said in these blogs and allowed through their usually-strict comment moderation), and will grasp at any straw they can if it somehow makes him look bad in some way. Classic Obama Derangement Syndrome.
 
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abaddon said:
I'm not sure I buy the racism motive. Is there still that much in the US?
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yes there is, even nearly 60 years later, racism still runs rampant here in the US. Blacks will still be considered as an inferior race to many.

As seen on the many birther sites, you don't even have to go further than the Post and Email (will not link since its nothing by birther BS) to see that racism is alive an well and actually pushed by the birthers.

If you visit the Pee and Eee, you can see posts by OneP***off VietnamVet (his handle there) as to exactly the kind of sentiments held by the "supporters" of that site as to their beliefs. The comments are also a good way to see the hatred they have of the black man who is in office.
 
cwalner said:
Unfortunately, yes. It is just no longer polite to flaunt it so much, so instead of calling Obama a ******, they just claim he is muslim.
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He will be here shortly. Shall I ask him? :D

Actually no joke, I have had American colleagues drinking in the pub with the Prime Minister of Ireland.

Chances are good I may get to have a pint with Obama.
 
BeAChooser said:
Didn't I tell you that Obama releasing the long form would do this? :p
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Yes having bravely determined the world is flat when there was 100% proof that it was round, you may indeed take a victory lap that there is now, still, 100% proof that the world is round.
 
ANTPogo said:
So why is World Net Daily still pushing the issue? And with such blatant lies, no less?

Care to speculate why a source so reliable and relied-on by you would do that?
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and as predicted, WND is also moving "beyond" the long form - to the parents/de vatell BS .

goal posts have moved beyond the realm of reality.
 
Arus808 said:
yes there is, even nearly 60 years later, racism still runs rampant here in the US. Blacks will still be considered as an inferior race to many.

As seen on the many birther sites, you don't even have to go further than the Post and Email (will not link since its nothing by birther BS) to see that racism is alive an well and actually pushed by the birthers.

If you visit the Pee and Eee, you can see posts by OneP***off VietnamVet (his handle there) as to exactly the kind of sentiments held by the "supporters" of that site as to their beliefs. The comments are also a good way to see the hatred they have of the black man who is in office.
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Wow, that site is one huge steaming pile of crazy. :eek:
 
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