Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Travis said:
You know, this thread makes me realize there really is no hope for humanity. We really are that collectively stupid for the most part.

How in the world could the same species that believes this Birther crap also invent electricity production? Or even construct crude wheels?
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even brilliant minds can believe in total nonsense while still being a genius in other fields.
Like Newton and his Alchemy and bible nonsense. :)
 
Travis said:
You know, this thread makes me realize there really is no hope for humanity. We really are that collectively stupid for the most part.

How in the world could the same species that believes this Birther crap also invent electricity production? Or even construct crude wheels?
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I've always felt that the majority of humans are hopelessly stupid. We all prosper from inventions and knowledge produced by a very small percentage of the population. Just my opinion.
 
I don't know why anyone is bothering to avoid admitting the obvious at this point. Michael Ian Black puts it succinctly (with sardonic accuracy):

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GreNME said:
I don't know why anyone is bothering to avoid admitting the obvious at this point. Michael Ian Black puts it succinctly (with sardonic accuracy):

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I'm getting to that point myself. It's pretty much just the MA that's keeping me from calling them all .... Well.

It's been clear to me for quite some time that the vast majority of birther nonsense was purely racist in motive, but now, with them having been given exactly what they always claimed they wanted, and still not being happy, I can hope that the non-racist birther apologists who have tried to insist it wasn't all about racism will finally see the light.

Birthers = Racist ****s.


There, I said it.
 
It's time to hear from Loretta J Fuddy, and if you don't know who Loretta J Fuddy is, you will .....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54087470/Birth-Certificate-Correspondence

In short, the Hawaii Dept. of Health produced two physical copies of O's BC that were mailed or delivered on April 25.

So, the obvious questions are, how in hell did the WH produce the document it posted on its web site, and why is the AP posted document, which appears to be a scan of a physical document, different?

More info ....

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110428__Born_in_the_USA__certificate_shows.html

"Obama's personal attorney, Judith Corley, showed up at the Health Department on Monday and paid $10 for the first certified copy of the state's original certificate and $4 for the second copy."

I'll guess that the copies sent to the WH were black and white copies that did not have the safety paper background, and that a scan of one of those copies is what we see as the AP posted document. That leaves the WH posted document, which I'll guess was edited by someone to make it look more 'official' by adding the security paper background.
 
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Saggy said:
It's time to hear from Loretta J Fuddy, and if you don't know who Loretta J Fuddy is, you will .....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54087470/Birth-Certificate-Correspondence

In short, the Hawaii Dept. of Health produced two physical copies of O's BC that were mailed or delivered on April 25.

So, the obvious questions are, how in hell did the WH produce the document it posted on its web site, and why is the AP posted document, which appears to be a scan of a physical document, different?
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Wow, Saggy, that's some awesome investigative works there. You've managed to find the documents that were posted to this thread almost immediately after the release of the long form was announced.
 
Saggy said:
So, the obvious questions are, how in hell did the WH produce the document it posted on its web site, and why is the AP posted document, which appears to be a scan of a physical document, different?
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You may as well be asking why George W. Bush never produced documentation proving that he didn't mastermind 9/11. Moving goalposts does not change reality, apparently not even your perception of reality.
 
Saggy said:
So, the obvious questions are, how in hell did the WH produce the document it posted on its web site, and why is the AP posted document, which appears to be a scan of a physical document, different?
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Why do you even think these are questions that need to be asked?

Someone (probably a White House staffer) took one of the physical copies and scanned it in to produce a PDF. Someone else took either the same physical copy or a different one to run off a bunch of plain white-paper photocopies.

Those photocopies were passed out to reporters at the press conference, and someone snapped a photo of the one they were handing out.
 
ANTPogo said:
Wow.

Just when I thought birthers couldn't get any dumber.
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And holy *********** crap, it just gets worse!


Sinclair suffered from Alzheimer's disease when he died of cardiac arrest in 2003 at the age of 81. He rarely spoke about his patients, or the thousands of babies he delivered from 1960 through 1988 — many of whom are named "David" after him, said Sinclair's wife, Ivalee Sinclair, 82, who lives in Manoa Valley, and started the Learning Disabilities Association in Hawaii and works for the Community Children's Council.

"For our family, it's a historic footnote," Ivalee Sinclair said yesterday. "I consider it a great honor and a big surprise."

She said she instantly recognized her husband's signature on Obama's birth certificate — especially because it had no period after the middle initial "A."

"He was supposed to be named David Augustus, but his mother didn't like Augustus," Sinclair said. "So he didn't have a middle name. It was just ‘A.'
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110428__Born_in_the_USA__certificate_shows.html
 
Alex Jones and the birth certificate: "100% fraud!"



Starts chatting about what he thinks he's found at 4.00. Any views on all the technical jargon?
 
ANTPogo said:
Why do you even think these are questions that need to be asked?
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The obvious question to anyone with an ounce of curiosity is why are the WH and AP documents different.

The WH posted what was supposed to be a photocopy of Os birth certificate, but I believe that the security paper background was added by someone at the WH, and that the AP posted document is a scan of the delivered copy.

That is, the WH posted document is not a scan of a physical document, it is computer generated.
 
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Saggy said:
The obvious question to anyone with an ounce of curiosity is why are the WH and AP documents different.
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Because one is a PDF produced by a scan and one is a photocopy, both made from the same physical copy on green security paper?

The WH posted what was supposed to be a photocopy of Os birth certificate, but I believe that the security paper background was added by someone at the WH, and that the AP posted document is a scan of the delivered copy.
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No, because if you look close at the AP-posted document, you can actually see traces of the security paper pattern on it (it didn't reproduce exactly because, well, that's what security paper is for).

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Why the education records?

I have to admit that I have been rather flummoxed by Trump's request to see his student records, which has been parroted by other birthers and their ilk. Why would they care whether he was a good student?

Then it hit me, this is an even more pervasive form of racism. No black person can get admitted to Harvard unless it is because of affirmative action, so if Obama wasn't a good student, he has been riding affirmative action all the way to the White House. It is dog-whistle politics at its worst.

"We want to see his student records" means "We know he's a lazy ignorant n*****".
 
ANTPogo said:
Because one is a PDF produced by a scan and one is a photocopy, both made from the same physical copy on green security paper?



No, because if you look close at the AP-posted document, you can actually see traces of the security paper pattern on it (it didn't reproduce exactly because, well, that's what security paper is for).

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Yes, that seems reasonable.

Also, what is the difference between a photocopy and a pdf document produced by a scan, just the compression algorithm which is pretty much immaterial IMO?

So, your theory is that Hawaii produced a black and white scan or photocopy on security paper. Copies of which was what was handed out to reporters.

But, the original request was for a photocopy of the BC, not a photocopy printed on security paper. So, there is an ambiguity there.

And, I am reduced to my original argument that a B/W scan printed on security paper would not have white borders around characters. That I think has to be true, but then the white border might appear when the document is scanned. This could be tested at home by printing on a color page and scanning to see if a white border appears.

Also, there is the TickerGuy's argument that a color scan of a physical document will produce color artifacts around black characters which do not appear in the WH posted document. This could be tested at home, by printing the WH posted document and rescanning it, to see if color artifacts appear around the black characters.

The jury is still out on whether the WH posted document is the scan of a physical document.
 
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