Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Well, that's what "their day in court" means -- time to put up or shut up.
 
Some of us use work related computers for this, and while forum posts are tolerated, video viewing is severely frowned upon.

When posting video, could you also give a brief summary of what's in it? At least a line or two saying, "This will go to trial" or "These people seem to have some great evidence."

As for your question, "Birthers nuts?" I think the answer is yes, but if there is other evidence, please, present it.
 
I haven't looked at the link, but I'm putting my money on "nuts" unless someone gives me some really good odds.
 
Meadmaker said:
When posting video, could you also give a brief summary of what's in it? At least a line or two saying, "This will go to trial" or "These people seem to have some great evidence."
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You didn't miss anything. It's a 9 minute plus video made by Birthers and attempting to look like a news program.

It shows a Birther pretending to be a reporter interviewing a Birther lawyer.

I only lasted about 2 minutes before I couldn't take it any more.

I gather they were talking about motions to dismiss the case because the plaintiffs have no standing or the court has no jurisdiction. From what I gather, the judge has said he won't dismiss the case because the Birthers have been incompetent (like if they failed to serve notice or some such).


My prediction: this will never get to trial. If it does, when the Birthers lose, they will be severely scolded for wasting the court's time and resources.
 
How appropriate is it that the lawyer for the Birthers is named Kreep?:D
 
boyntonstu said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EinxdXg_-k

OBAMA Birth Certificate Trial Update of Oct 5

Birthers nuts?

I don't think so.
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See, when you say you don't think that Birther's are nuts you kind of imply that you agree with them.
Which would make you one.
Which means no-one here is going to trust your judgment on the sanity or lack thereof of said group that you are a defacto member of since said membership may mean you are mentally challenged also.
 
The birfers put a lot of faith in the action filed by Orly Taitz and the perpetual whackadoodle candidtate Alan Keyes. Turns out that they had no standing, because their "client" didn't retain them in the first place and has filed action forbidding Orly to file anything on her behalf.

Orly responded by demanding more money from the "client."

Is anybody going to say with a straight face that this is not good evidence that at least a good portion of the birfers are utterly NUTS?
 
Why? Please explain this outrageous expense.


…….Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated at more than $1 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and adoption records.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110114


Is a fool someone who spends $1,000,000 for no reason?
 
boyntonstu said:
WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and adoption records.
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Who cares? What on Ed's green earth do any of the highlighted things matter? Adoption records? Why would their be any adoption records? For that matter, do they even keep baptism records?

Incidentally, here is evidence of his passport. Here is evidence of articles written while he was at the Harvard Law Review.

What do you mean that "files from his years as an Illinois state senator" are not available? What files?

boyntonstu, there is a reason WND is called "Wing Nut Daily". They are not a reliable source of information. This is pure crazy on a stick.
 
boyntonstu said:
WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Columbia thesis, passport, medical records, any baptism records and adoption records.
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I'm sorry, how is ANY of this information any of your damn business?

I thought Republicans were the party of privacy and protection of private property.

I thought Republicans didn't want "Big Government" prying into the lives of people?
 
boyntonstu said:
$1,000,000 and lawyers for what??????
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Well, lawyers are to represent him in the suit. No matter how ludicrous the suits are, he would be wasting his time defending himself in person. And even then, Obama isn't a law suit lawyer (whatever the proper term is). He'd be stupid to go up against a professional in the area.

And consider how many of these frivolous suits have been brought up. I'm sure the fees add up. ...assuming the $1,000,000 number is true. Do you have a source that isn't a conspiracy theory website?
 
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boyntonstu said:
Birthers nuts?

I don't think so.
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Birthers are completely nuts. Obama produced his birth certificate already. The state of Hawaii certifies that it is the genuine article and not a fake.

eta: linky

To any reasonable person, that should have ended it right there.
 
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Upchurch said:
Birthers are completely nuts. Obama produced his birth certificate already. The state of Hawaii certifies that it is the genuine article and not a fake.

To any reasonable person, that should have ended it right there.
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The state of Hawaii certifies that it is the genuine article and not a fake.


Do you have any proof that a valid Birth Certificate was produced?

Do you know the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate"?

Why are Obama's attorneys objecting to the production of the requested document?

A logical explanation please.
 
boyntonstu said:
The state of Hawaii certifies that it is the genuine article and not a fake.


Do you have any proof that a valid Birth Certificate was produced?
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Yes, see the eta above.

boyntonstu said:
Do you know the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate"?
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Yes. Do you know that they are legally equivalent?

boyntonstu said:
Why are Obama's attorneys objecting to the production of the requested document?

A logical explanation please.
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Because it wouldn't solve anything. Obama already produced his birth certificate and people still believe this nonsense. If he produced yet another form of his birth certificate, then, no kidding, we mean it this time, birthers would believe him?

Right. :rolleyes:

eta: ...and are they actually objecting to producing the various documents or are they requesting that the suit be dropped?
 
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boyntonstu said:
Do you know the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate"?
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they are the same thing, my friend.

I do not have a New York City High School Diploma. My diploma is specifically from my specialized NYC school.

does that mean, I didn't graduate high school?
 
boyntonstu, instead of just JAQing off all over this thread, how about answering a few questions?

Is there any reason to think that Obama might not be a natural born citizen of the US? Is there any document or testimony to that effect that has not already been thoroughly debunked?
 
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