Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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If this thread has taught me anything, it's that Birthers are incredibly skilled at pointing at evidence that conclusively proves them wrong and saying, "See? I was right."
 
I really think that people will be embarrassed by their behavior in the same way that the people who supported Sen. Joe McCarthy were embarrassed. It's very sad.

The persons that should be embarrassed are Obama and his apologists, for dragging this nonsense out so long.
 
Yeah, that's not how things work. That's similar to (but admittedly not as bad as) saying "That woman should apologize for making that man rape her." Birthers were the ones who fixated on this. They were the ones who ignored any rational course of thought to perpetuate their mythos. And yet, it's Obama's fault for finally going "please shut up, here's your Maguffin?"
 
I really think that people will be embarrassed by their behavior in the same way that the people who supported Sen. Joe McCarthy were embarrassed. It's very sad.
In McCarthy's defense, there was some evidence that communists actually existed.
 
Why would anyone use photoshop and add random text in random layers?
Why not just print out a page then fill it in by hand before scanning it?

Why do Birthers, Truthers and Apollohoaxers invent totaly improbable, random ways of doing things that would never occur to anyone in the real world?
 
Why do Birthers, Truthers and Apollohoaxers invent totaly improbable, random ways of doing things that would never occur to anyone in the real world?


Beacause the mentally ill do not have a grasp on reality. A good number of these people have psychiatric issues. Paranoia is a common sympton of mental illness.
 
Well, let's hypothesize as follows, the BC is scanned with a b/w scanner and stored. It is then overlaid, that is, the black pixels are overlaid, on a computer image representing the security paper. Here the black characters would not have a white border. Then the white border is created when the file is compressed. It would surprise me, but it's conceivable I suppose. And, it could be easily tested at home, just photoshop some text on a photo and save as a Photoshop pdf format (it's got that format I just checked). I'd be willing to bet $10.00 the border does not appear. I just tried it. I win, no white border.

Funny, those noted Obama-lovers at the National Review Online have also tried this process with another document, and they seem pretty convinced that this indeed explains the Obama PDF after all.

EDIT: Not to mention that "photoshop[ping] some text on a photo and sav[ing] as a Photoshop pdf format" is not what the process is. It's an artifact of processing and compressing a physical document. No wonder your "test" didn't work - it actually disproves the notion that the Obama certificate is a photoshopped image saved in pdf format!
 
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There have been claims made that editing in the PDF has been done by automatic image processing. Fine, that may very well be true. Then the Obama administration should publish a new PDF, WITHOUT any editing. Let's see a plain scan from the original. Pretty please?
The pdf version has some weird artifacting but the version released by the AP doesn't. I think the white house released the PDF to throw fools like you off. :p


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...html?SITE=WYCHE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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The persons that should be embarrassed are Obama and his apologists, for dragging this nonsense out so long.

I heard a good retort today on another website:

Poster #1: Oh yeah? Well how come it took them 3 1/2 years to release it, huh?

Poster #2: Are you kidding? Have you ever waited in line at a government office? They probably sent some poor intern down there 3 years ago and he just got back . . .
 
And, unlike you (who practically demanded that Obama and Hawaii do this), I am not happy about the exception to the "statutory restrictions" that Obama asked for and received.

Why though? The director said that she/he has the power to make exceptions under the law, for certain circumstances.

He's the freaking PRESIDENT for crying out loud! If he called me and asked me for MY birth certificate, I would happily make him a copy.

Hell, if he asked me for a copy of my last physical fitness test and medical exam, i'd provide that too.

Maybe it's because I have the utmost respect for authority, and generally tend to do as I am asked by people in authority. Sure, I could tell him to kick rocks, but who cares? Not me.
 
The pdf version has some weird artifacting but the version released by the AP doesn't. I think the white house released the PDF to throw fools like you off. :p


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...html?SITE=WYCHE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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And those are photocopies of the certified document, compared to what we've seen which are digital scans of the certified document (which was a photocopy of the original original certificate). Is this getting complicated enough?

Anyways, thanks for posting those :)
 
Furthermore, any fool who thinks those layers were there for compositing or editing needs to look at what the actual layers contain. For example, on the copy I saw, one layer had "Ba ack Obama", and the other had the "r". Is that really evidence of forgery? What, they had to change a certificate from some Bamack Obama or something?

And for the handwriting: Individual elements of handwritten letters appear on different layers. WTH? That's not evidence of forgery, that's evidence of some parts of those lines meeting one threshold for being on one layer, and other parts hitting another and getting on that other layer. Unless someone suggests that there are multiple layers for a single handwritten character or word, then that's evidence against intentional forgery. It's evidence for Illustrator making the best interpretation it can of a .pdf file, one that's designed to be opened in a different program (Acrobat).
 
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Better take it up with Hawaii, then.
So just as I stated. No law forbade them issuing long-form birth certificates. There were no statutory restrictions whatsoever. Moreover, despite the letter, people did obtain long-form birth certificates that specifically requested them, and now the president has.

Your insistence it was "impossible" for Obama to obtain his long-form birth certificate was ludicrous then and now.
 
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The Birther conspiracy might just be the most idiotic conspiracy I've ever seen..
It's all about politics- Right wing Republicans hate Obama, and want to discredit him in an way to make sure he's not reelected. Donald Trump's assinine birther rants were laughed at, so he found a new conspiracy- he claimed that Obama was a poor student that shouldn't have gotten into Harvard or Columbia. Only problem is.....Obama graduated with honors.

This is how conspiracy loons work- they spread gossip and lies and claim it to be fact, and insist they don't have the burden to back their claims. This will backfire for the Republicans big time...They are already the laughingstocks of the planet...
 
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interesting analysis

"Legitimate digitized, scanned documents will always have [a] faded appearance... There are too many jagged features, here." he said as the scoured the certificate. "So, it's not a single document, it's actually 'compositive' layers."
Colby says scanned images should only have one digitized layer. He says President Obama's birth certificate has almost 50 layers. "You can see the layers flash yourself just by rapidly zooming in and out in your web browser. That means that the browser is rendering different layers."
Colby concedes that there are some instances where scanned images produce multiple layers. "It's a program called OCR that converts text in the images into computer readable text," he said. "But, it would never work on signatures. So, the fact that the signatures have been edited discounts the possibility of it being OCR."
Colby continued pointing out the apparent problems. "You'll notice the white background behind these letters, which is also super-imposed, actually covers up a little bit of the 'D' in this word," he explained. "Even his name has been edited, all except for the 'R' in 'Barack.'"
But, Colby can not figure out why the White House would release something so obvious. "The question is why is it so obvious," he said. "Maybe the original certificate was damaged, maybe it was faded, maybe someone was just trying to clean it up. [But,] you'd think if that was the case, they would supply the original certificate just so there would be no suspicions."

http://www.kjct8.com/news/27711049/detail.html

This guy doesn't even sound like he was a birther but just looked at the doc and says it looks like a fake because it's been edited so much.
 
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