Nightline Debate: Does Satan Exist?

[joobz]

I still have many questions I ask each day and make many new discoveries. Why would you think just because I am bold in my faith I am not inquisitive?

Well, it's because you speak with assurity about things you can't possibly know. You seem to have no problem insert the "God" answer as though that explains things. It limits discovery and learning.
I mean, what are your answers to the following questions:
So what are your answers to the questions:
1. What would it mean if we discovered alien life?
2. What did the very first protolife forms look like?
3. How can we combat bacterial evolution?
4. Why do childhood diseases exist?
5. If evolution isn't true, why does all the data make it look like it is?

Does god factor into your answers of these questions? How sure are you of your answers once you allow god as part of it?

 

[Lonewulf]

You know, given the book that Kathy decided to burn, I'm not sure I can point my finger at her for it.

If she burned Harry Potter or Fahrenheit 451, though, I'd have a case. Not so sure about Twilight.

 

[Lonewulf]

I don't want to be responsible for someone doing visualisation exercises before an exam, instead of actually reading the frigging schoolbooks.

You know, I'm not sure how "visualization exercises" are supposed to work according to the author that you're talking about, but low levels of "visualization" actually seem helpful for some things. For instance, when I'm fencing, I often forget what I look like while I'm fighting; I square up, making myself an easier target, I cross my legs, making it easy for someone to push on me and make me trip over myself, etc. Through "visualization", I can sort of see how I look like while feeling it...

But of course, this is totally different than what you're talking about. For history, I can see how visualization could help -- trying to imagine a city under discussion, of course. But I'm still sure that this isn't what you're talking about.

 

[joobz]

Well we live in the mountains where we do burn piles quite regularly for fire safety, so it was just as easy to burn it as to throw it in the garbage.

The avilability of fire doesn't make the practice of book burning any more justifiable.

I hold equal amounts of disdain for an atheist who would burn the bible as I would a republican who would burn the communist manifesto. The words on the page are ideas. Burning books isn't a demonstration of hatred for the ideas, it is an indication of fear for the ideas. Fear that the words on the page may actually hold some truth for you and that you must destroy it before it takes hold.

 

[Lonewulf]

The avilability of fire doesn't make the practice of book burning any more justifiable.

I hold equal amounts of disdain for an atheist who would burn the bible as I would a republican who would burn the communist manifesto. The words on the page are ideas. Burning books isn't a demonstration of hatred for the ideas, it is an indication of fear for the ideas. Fear that the words on the page may actually hold some truth for you and that you must destroy it before it takes hold.

Hm... good way of putting it, actually.

I think you just changed my stance on the topic. Good show.

 

[joobz]

You know, given the book that Kathy decided to burn, I'm not sure I can point my finger at her for it.

If she burned Harry Potter or Fahrenheit 451, though, I'd have a case. Not so sure about Twilight.

When they burned Atlas Shrugged,
I remained silent;
I was not a douchebag objectivist.
Then they Burned up Joyce's Ulysses,
I remained silent;
I was not a douchebag Lit major.
Then they burned The DaVinci Code,
I did not speak out;
It totally Sucked and was written for douchebags.
Then they burned Dianetics,
I did not speak out;
I was not a douchbag rich actor.
When they burned the Watchmen,
I was like, "Hey What the EFF!!! That book's awesome!!!"
And there was no one left to speak out for me,
because they were all pissed that I kept calling them douchebags.

 

[Lonewulf]

...Can I nominate two people in one day?

 

[Eddie Dane]

You know, I'm not sure how "visualization exercises" are supposed to work according to the author that you're talking about, but low levels of "visualization" actually seem helpful for some things. For instance, when I'm fencing, I often forget what I look like while I'm fighting; I square up, making myself an easier target, I cross my legs, making it easy for someone to push on me and make me trip over myself, etc. Through "visualization", I can sort of see how I look like while feeling it...

But of course, this is totally different than what you're talking about. For history, I can see how visualization could help -- trying to imagine a city under discussion, of course. But I'm still sure that this isn't what you're talking about.

I was talking about the idea that if you visualise something you want really vividly and very often, you tell the universe what you want and it will come to pass.

If that actually worked, I'd be typing this with Scarlett Johansson sitting on my face.

 

[Jorghnassen]

Why is it a Nightline debate? Of course Satan exists, he plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins.

 

[supercorgi]

The avilability of fire doesn't make the practice of book burning any more justifiable.

I hold equal amounts of disdain for an atheist who would burn the bible as I would a republican who would burn the communist manifesto. The words on the page are ideas. Burning books isn't a demonstration of hatred for the ideas, it is an indication of fear for the ideas. Fear that the words on the page may actually hold some truth for you and that you must destroy it before it takes hold.

Thank you for stating the reasons for my disdain of this practice better than I possibly could! Books are the home of ideas, you may disagree with ideas, but trying to stamp them out makes the world a poorer place.

 

[Thanz]

I never said what the Catholic church believes is right now have I? There are way too many false manmade religions and false prophets in our world today but people who know Jesus are not falling for so many phonies who teach heresy.

I was raised Roman Catholic and am now a practicing Anglican. In your opinion, am I following a false manmade religion, falling for phonies who teach heresy?

 

[MattusMaximus]

I never said what the Catholic church believes is right now have I?

Nice one. The "Catholics aren't real Christians" argument

There are way too many false manmade religions and false prophets in our world today but people who know Jesus are not falling for so many phonies who teach heresy.

Um, yeah. I'm sure that by now someone has pointed out that your religion is also man-made - they all are, KK.

The Holy Spirit once indwelling a person does in fact lead us into all truth which is found in the Word of God. I am truly sorry there have been way too many phonies out there but that does not mean there aren't people who truly love and know God that choose to overcome evil by doing good.

Curious how your path is the "True" one, and all others are "phonies" - exactly the kind of argument which got me to questioning religion in the first place.

I pray the Lord will bring some true Christians into your path so you can see there is a difference!

My wife is a Christian, KK. And, despite my open atheism & skepticism of religion, I am proud to know her, love her, and be in her life. The same goes for her regarding me.

And, for me, that's heaven

 

[Cainkane1]

Laveyan Satanists say satan doesn't exist. If you are a Catholic, a fundy xcian, muslim than Satan is very real. If you are a atheist then belief in satan is hogwash.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Good point. To an atheist, neither Satan or God is real - you might as well start talking to us about leprechauns.

 

[AkuManiMani]

Pity me for what? Knowing it's all the truth without a doubt in my mind?? Jesus is the only way to know God and most all the other stuff I use to believe he changed as now I have the turht of Gods word in me. If I believe Gods word then it really doesn't matter what the world thinks of me because I know him through his word.

Heh... "kurious_kathy". If you were intentionally being ironic I'd give you kudos. Judging from your posting history tho, I'd have to conclude that its completely unintentional and the joke is on you.

You're anything but curious; your mind is hermetically sealed. It's obvious that you prefer false certainty over gaining actual knowledge or truth. You're doing yourself an great disservice.

 

[kurious_kathy]

What a good idea, it would make a nice change from you ...

I meant face to face! The world needs to see Jesus in the real world and in his disciples lives. The problem I fear is there are not enough believers being properly taught or discipled. Perhaps I'll move on and dedicate more time to this issue rather than try to convince a bunch of people who refuse to believe the truth of the Gospel!

 

[Hokulele]

Perhaps I'll move on and dedicate more time to this issue rather than try to convince a bunch of people who refuse to believe the truth of the Gospel!

Good idea.

 

[pgwenthold]

I meant face to face! The world needs to see Jesus in the real world and in his disciples lives. The problem I fear is there are not enough believers being properly taught or discipled. Perhaps I'll move on and dedicate more time to this issue rather than try to convince a bunch of people who refuse to believe the truth of the Gospel!

The thing I've never understood about you Kathy is that you gleefully admit that you weren't on board until "God opened your eyes" or "touched your heart" or other such cliches. IOW, you admit that it took intervention from GOD to convince you of the truth of the Gospel. So why do you think you can do it to us on your own?

You, more than anyone else, should realize that you are wasting your time preaching to us. What you should be spending your time doing is praying to your God to get him to "open our eyes" in the same way he opened yours. I think it's a good idea. Why don't you leave here, go to a private place, and pray for God to open our eyes that we can see as you can. You are wasting your time here.

 

[Ducky]

I just watched the videos of this debate and am now considering drinking bleach to cleanse the stupid from my brain.

That was like watching a pack of drunk monkeys attempt to build a house by throwing poop at each other.



ETA:

Stop feeding kurious_kathy's self-fulfilling prophecy. Whether she's a troll or actually believes it, the function of reactions to her is the same: Paying attention to her feeds her need to feel superior.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I meant face to face! The world needs to see Jesus in the real world and in his disciples lives. The problem I fear is there are not enough believers being properly taught or discipled. Perhaps I'll move on and dedicate more time to this issue rather than try to convince a bunch of people who refuse to believe the truth of the Gospel!

Oh please... don't go...