My Bad (Former LCF Mod)

[Travis]

You are just reinforcing the impression that you are not a person of conviction. Your argument inyariably devolves into personality and management issues.

I do not believe you were ever a real Truther. There is no feel of the convert about you either. I think you are masquerading as a convert but the bell of authenticity is not ringing.

Better to believe that than to admit that some people take a second look at your movements arguments and decide they just don't buy it.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I do not believe you were ever a real Truther. There is no feel of the convert about you either. I think you are masquerading as a convert but the bell of authenticity is not ringing.

This is a classic example of something I mentioned a while ago: the inability of truthers to incorporate debunkers into their world view at any level. Particularly difficult for them to acknowledge is the pronounced asymmetry by which truthers are known to have converted to the debunker side, but few if any debunkers have converted to the truther side. In fact, there seems to be a three-step progression: Uninformed -> truther -> informed understanding that 9/11 was carried out by al-Qaeda, where steps can be missed out but the progression is only one way. If the truthers' views had any merit, we might see a significant proportion of moves the other way, from active debunker to truther; yet, it seems, we rarely or never do. So we have bill smith, in active denial, refusing to believe in reality because it can't be reconciled to his mistaken views, claiming that converted truthers were never true Scotsmen truthers in the first place, or SteveAustin, claiming that debunkers are paid CIA disinformation agents; simply because their world view cannot admit of the possibility that intelligent and informed people could disagree with them. That should be one of their biggest danger signs, and it's one they have to work extremely hard to rationalise away.

Dave

 

[Longfellow]

The grass is greener over here

Welcome back to reality, Temecula! Tell the truth, now. The world is a better place over on this side of the fence, isn't? Yah? Thought so!

Bill smith speaks of changing sides. He is right in that there are two sides involved here. On the one side is reality: 19 religious extremists hijacked 4 passenger jets with the intent to commit mass murder. They succeeded. The other side is pure fantasy: New World Order, controlled demolition, holographic planes, 'pull it', Pentagon flyover, nano-thermite, etc (not an all-inclusive list).

It's been my experience that the '9/11 truth movement' is made up primarily of the willfully ignorant and charlatans. Note I said primarily. I used to think the 'movement' was made up entirely of the willfully ignorant and charlatans but I've had to modify that mindset somewhat to include those obvious converts such as yourself and others who have come forward on this forum declaring their change of perspective.

Again, welcome back. Hope to see you at the chili cookout!

 

[~enigma~]

Roundabout thinking at its best.

You were never truly part of the TM because if you were, you'd still be in the TM. But since you're not a believer, then you were never really one to begin with.

Same idiot logic that gave us such illustrious events as the inquisition and pogroms to name a few.

 

[bill smith]

This is a classic example of something I mentioned a while ago: the inability of truthers to incorporate debunkers into their world view at any level. Particularly difficult for them to acknowledge is the pronounced asymmetry by which truthers are known to have converted to the debunker side, but few if any debunkers have converted to the truther side. In fact, there seems to be a three-step progression: Uninformed -> truther -> informed understanding that 9/11 was carried out by al-Qaeda, where steps can be missed out but the progression is only one way. If the truthers' views had any merit, we might see a significant proportion of moves the other way, from active debunker to truther; yet, it seems, we rarely or never do. So we have bill smith, in active denial, refusing to believe in reality because it can't be reconciled to his mistaken views, claiming that converted truthers were never true Scotsmen truthers in the first place, or SteveAustin, claiming that debunkers are paid CIA disinformation agents; simply because their world view cannot admit of the possibility that intelligent and informed people could disagree with them. That should be one of their biggest danger signs, and it's one they have to work extremely hard to rationalise away.

Dave

I only came to this thread to check out this fake convert guy Dave. We could argue back and forth about converts from one side to the other but that is as pointless as arguing about whether the Movement for Truth is dead or not.

Now that I have settled the question about the new 'convert' I am done here for now. Iwould only say in parting that when you assemble a list of more than two Truthers (including this most recent one) who have converted you can find me around.

 

[~enigma~]

Iwould only say in parting that when you assemble a list of more than two Truthers (including this most recent one) who have converted you can find me around.

Any other proof needed that the TM is full of wackjobs? One idiot thinks he is the reincarnation of Galileo and this nutcase thinks he is jesus.

 

[abenja1]

I only came to this thread to check out this fake convert guy Dave. We could argue back and forth about converts from one side to the other but that is as pointless as arguing about whether the Movement for Truth is dead or not.

Now that I have settled the question about the new 'convert' I am done here for now. Iwould only say in parting that when you assemble a list of more than two Truthers (including this most recent one) who have converted you can find me around.

So in simple English you're calling this person a "traitor?"

 

[twinstead]

I only came to this thread to check out this fake convert guy Dave. We could argue back and forth about converts from one side to the other but that is as pointless as arguing about whether the Movement for Truth is dead or not.

Now that I have settled the question about the new 'convert' I am done here for now. Iwould only say in parting that when you assemble a list of more than two Truthers (including this most recent one) who have converted you can find me around.

Your little diatribe would be much more convincing if you actually had a shred of credibility, Mr. smoke generator.

 

[JohnG]

I only came to this thread to check out this fake convert guy Dave. We could argue back and forth about converts from one side to the other but that is as pointless as arguing about whether the Movement for Truth is dead or not.

You narrowly avoided accidentally outing yourself again thanks to that clever turn of phrase.

 

[Horatius]

Iwould only say in parting that when you assemble a list of more than two Truthers (including this most recent one) who have converted you can find me around.

Here ya go.


Of course, you were already aware of that list, weren't you?

Bill smith, denying reality every step of the way.

 

[Longfellow]

True to form

I only came to this thread to check out this fake* convert guy Dave...(snip)

*-added emphasis mine

I've noticed a trend with those who deny reality. They can't seem to accept the fact that people can change their minds. Wasn't there another denialist (denialismist?) in another thread accusing scott.in.taiwan of being a debunker sock-puppet or an ersatz skeptic or something? I'm quite sure there was but I can't be arsed to look it up. Not worth the mental effort.

 

[Hokulele]

When she bites, it feels like a thousand needles injecting molten hot lava into your bone marrow.

Which, of course, is why you keep trying to provoke my bitey reflex.

He changed his mind Bill. I know in Crazy Town this may seem impossible, but please rest assured it is the norm on planet earth, normal people exercise this option quite often. I could try and explain this simple concept to you but I guess a simple explanation would also be beyond your grasp.

Did he change his mind, or was it changed for him.


And you do realize that rationality is wasted when trying to discuss anything with bill, yes?

 

[bill smith]

*-added emphasis mine

I've noticed a trend with those who deny reality. They can't seem to accept the fact that people can change their minds. Wasn't there another denialist (denialismist?) in another thread accusing scott.in.taiwan of being a debunker sock-puppet or an ersatz skeptic or something? I'm quite sure there was but I can't be arsed to look it up. Not worth the mental effort.

I remember hat one.Scott said that a close friend of his, an engineer had said that he would have run a mile in the other direction if he had seen such a Tower on fire because everybody knew that they always fell down, Then somebody called Scott on it reminding him that no such building had ever collapsed from fire in the entire history of the Planet.

Scott became flustered and gave himself away. The take-away impression was that he was lying. He used the word himself without prompting. Nobody else did.

 

[tfk]

Same idiot logic that gave us such illustrious events as the inquisition and pogroms to name a few.

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Ya know, enigma, it's too bad that the truthers don't take a lesson from the Heaven's Gate crowd.

Those guys had to cut their nuts off to get in.

"Excuse me. Could you go over those initiation rules one more time...?"

Darwin, livin' large & takin' charge.

"Every once in awhile, the gene pool needs a little chlorine."

Perhaps Drive-By Norplant shootings at the Truther conventions...



Tom

 

[GlennB]

Now that I have settled the question about the new 'convert' I am done here for now. Iwould only say in parting that when you assemble a list of more than two Truthers (including this most recent one) who have converted you can find me around.

Bill has already defined "truther" as someone who sees the "9/11 truth" and cannot change their mind without becoming wrong and therefore not a truther in the first place. He has defined his own proposition in a manner that cannot lose. Except bandwidth oooops, there goes a little more ....

 

[abenja1]

I remember hat one.Scott said that a close friend of his, an engineer had said that he would have run a mile in the other direction if he had seen such a Tower on fire because everybody knew that they always fell down, Then somebody called Scott on it reminding him that no such building had ever collapsed from fire in the entire history of the Planet.

Scott became flustered and gave himself away. The take-away impression was that he was lying. He used the word himself without prompting. Nobody else did.

I'll take your lack of an answer to my post as "yes" you are calling this former a truther a traitor. You're a sick person bill smith.

 

[Childlike Empress]

He definately is a bad actor.

 

[twinstead]

Of course. Because it's simply impossible that any rational person could NOT be a "truther", is it not?

 

[Childlike Empress]

I was talking about bill, not the OP. Context.

 

[Thunder]

Hey folks, I used to be a moderator at the "Loose Change Forum" back in it's heyday before they went to LCF 2.0 and whatever came after that. My name there was HotDogBun. I used to ban or suspend people from JREF on almost a daily basis. I would always make sure the email message that accompanied the action was as over-the-top insulting as possible.

Well, My Bad. Turns out you were right, and that "the truth movement" was a cult or a religion or...something, something intolerant and dogmatic and worst of all, completely mistaken and in some instances outright deceptive. I bailed out of the whole CT thing a while ago, and have actually become quite skeptical about everything since then. I recently joined this forum to post in the "Do skeptics ever convince believers" thread in your general skepticism subforum, because skeptics did in fact convince me to abandon my irrational beliefs. It reminded me of how I dealt with you folks back then, so i figured an apology was in order.

So, sorry about that.

(((((((((((Temecula))))))))))))

welcome back to the real world.

I'm sure you recognize my screen name. I was also a truther for about 6 months. This was due to watching stupid truther videos. but then i decided to READ debunker info.

and i gotta tell ya, the written word trumps stupid videos every time!!