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My Bad (Former LCF Mod)

Welcome to the forum, best wishes to you and your wife and much respect for having the brains to realize you were wrong and the courage to admit it.:)
 
It's a TRAP!!1!

:tinfoil The OP clearly is not a 9/11 CT and as such is off topic. Aside from this flagrant disregard of the MA, I hear through my sources that his mission here is to steal Darat's admin powers in a plot to have us all banned. We must act now and have him banned immediately!1 / :tinfoil











Welcome aboard. ;)
 
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Welcome Temecula :) It isn't so easy to 'come out' the way you have, but be assured that there is a sprinkling of 'recovered' truthers in this very thread.
My own experience is pretty much summed up by UNLoVedRebel in post #13.

And if it was you who banned one of my many debunking identities from the old LCF, no hard feelings.

Regards
 
Welcome to the forum Temecula. I was banned a few times from LCF and there is no need to offer an apology at all. In fact your post is heartwarming and I am very pleased for you.

Once again welcome, there are many other sub forums here, I hope you enjoy your time here.
 
a)How did you once become a truther? I am not looking for answers, like "watching Loose Change". If possible, I'd like you to write in a bit more detailed manner, like "I watched Loose Change, and started surfing the internet. All I could find were more truther sites, which further reinforced my truther status... etc" or something like that.
It all started when I met Amanda…A girl I fell madly in love with. She was passionate about politics and helped to work on the Gore 2000 campaign. She showed me Terrorstorm (which was the hype that came before Loose Change from none other than Alex Jones. I was impressed with all of the news articles and seemingly reliable sources from which he gathered his information. Combining that with his charisma and high energy, I bought it…Hook, line and sinker. I investigated for a while and sort of fell off. But when Loose Change came out, It seemed to me that they had pretty solid evidence for the Inside Job case….And of course, the fancy editing and catchy music just woo’d me right back in.
I can almost remember the moment I went from curious party to full fledged truther…I was at work (where our internet restrictions we’re nonexistent) and it was a slow day. I decided to watch AJ’s Endgame. Afterwards. I remember stepping outside for a smoke break and seeing all of the buildings in Downtown Denver resemble prison walls, closing me in. I saw people shuffling to and from work and felt as if they we’re all willing slaves, bending to the will of their “corporate masters” and then I noticed that I was one of them…It scared the hell out of me. (even though I worked for a “corporate master”, kind enough to let me watch videos online at work, gave me pretty decent pay and I had NO right to really complain)
I started helping We Are Change hand out DVD’s, spreading the word to my friends and spreading the “documentaries” like a virus. I influenced a lot of people in my circle of friends. In retrospect, it was a pretty effective and fast brainwashing I went through. It’s amazing how powerful Woo can be sometimes.


b) What convinced you back from truther to non-truther? Once again, I hope you do not respond something like "truthers are dumb", but a bit more specific.
Once I saw Zeitgeist Addendum I thought I REALLY had it all figured out and tried to start a local Z:Movement chapter. It was then I thought I was equipped mentally to take on the skeptics, whom I thought would love the idea of the Zeitgeist Movement (a “scientific method” pseudo science based, godless society? What’s more to love? Right? WRONG!!!)
So I took to JREF with all that I had learned and jumped into the skeptics Zeitgeist forums. I got pwned with questions I couldn’t even begin to answer and when I looked up answers to those questions, it was then I realized that it was all a silly utopian fantasy, sprinkled with pseudo skepticism and a Technocratic, communist-like agenda disguising itself as peace….
Furthermore, I had watched Screw Loose Change: The Not FREAKIN’ Again Edition a year prior and was pretty shocked at what I had seen. But still wrapped up in 9/11 denial, I didn’t take it seriously enough (not to mention Loose Change Final Cut came out the very day I watched Screw Loose Change)
When I noticed that the skeptics didn’t do a final cut version of SLC and I saw various other convincing clips from the LC crew, I fell right back into the woo….I was fortunate enough to have skeptics present me with evidence about 9/11 That I’d never even heard of (not even in SLC) and I was speechless. I felt like I knew absolutely nothing as the truth was slapping me hard in the face.
I came to terms with the fact that I was (IN REALITY) Supporting a sort of soft hate group cult. I finally came to the realization that I needed to atone (so to speak, I’m an atheist by the way, but just making a point) So I used the same My Space page that I had used forever, to spread malicious lies and to attack the government…to instead inform all of my Truther friends of what they we’re really a part of. My screen name went from Domestic Errorism to “Woo”gasm Recovery Unit overnight and now…I’m a changed man.

c) What are your thoughts nowadays about your time as a truther? What mistakes you made back then? Were you 100% convinced, agressively promoting the truth? Whatever comes to your mind.
When I look back, it’s really hard to even imagine how far gone I was…I was reading everything I could on INFOWARS and trying to take it with a grain of salt, but I just couldn’t help but pay attention to it. I was bombarded with so much info that I never had enough time to really look into anything. I definitely regret some of the things I said in the past…I was aggressively promoting the “twoof” and now I’m aggressively promoting the TRUTH. I am even considering burning copies of screw loose change to hand out across the street from where We Are Change hands out their propaganda on the 11th of every month (with Gravy’s permission of course)
Now, I feel not only liberated, but happy again. I no longer feel miserable, powerless, enslaved, paranoid or angry anymore.

I feel normal again. Like…everything is out of my control, but it’s ALSO out of everyone else’s control, including the fabled “Elite.” Now that I feel this way, I feel not only empowered (I know it's ironic but stay with me) but wiser because of it.

Empowered to know that I have just as many opportunities (within reason) as anyone else...Wiser because I was willing to admit to myself that I knew nothing and should probably just shut up, sit down and learn something.
 
Temecula said:
I bailed out of the whole CT thing a while ago, and have actually become quite skeptical about everything since then. I recently joined this forum to post in the "Do skeptics ever convince believers" thread in your general skepticism subforum, because skeptics did in fact convince me to abandon my irrational beliefs.
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That's fine.

If you want a general source of good skepticism, I'd suggest the Jref's and NESS' official podcast: The skeptics' guide to the universe.
 
Temecula said:
Hey folks, I used to be a moderator at the "Loose Change Forum" back in it's heyday before they went to LCF 2.0 and whatever came after that. My name there was HotDogBun. I used to ban or suspend people from JREF on almost a daily basis. I would always make sure the email message that accompanied the action was as over-the-top insulting as possible.

Well, My Bad. Turns out you were right, and that "the truth movement" was a cult or a religion or...something, something intolerant and dogmatic and worst of all, completely mistaken and in some instances outright deceptive. I bailed out of the whole CT thing a while ago, and have actually become quite skeptical about everything since then. I recently joined this forum to post in the "Do skeptics ever convince believers" thread in your general skepticism subforum, because skeptics did in fact convince me to abandon my irrational beliefs. It reminded me of how I dealt with you folks back then, so i figured an apology was in order.

So, sorry about that.
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Can you identify the seminal moment that caused you to change sides ?
 
Temecula (or any other ex-truther here) - when you were "on the dark side" what did you hope/think would happen as a result of the 9/11 truth you believed in? Did you want to see a new investigation? Did you actually believe that could happen? Or did you have some other vision or plan in mind?

When I pointed out at LCF that it would seem to be a contradiction of terms to expect the government to independently investigate itself, I was accused of being a nay-sayer and trying to bring down the "movement", by demoralizing them, I guess. Being banned is sometimes a blessing, lol.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Welcome to the forum, Temecula. We can all respect the courage it takes to admit you were wrong.

One comment on your post in the other thread: you mentioned the feeling of support you got from having a community of like-minded individuals around you. That's by no means unique to the world of conspiracy theories, and if you take a look at the Forum Community sub-forum you'll find many examples of this community giving moral and practical support to members when they need it. I hope you'll feel you can be a full member of this community. I think you've made a good start.

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Me too Dave. I'm here for all hose like-minded people around me. Wouldn't you agree ?

I have noticed the tremendous support that most members here give each other. Its almost admirable.
 
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Edx said:
I am reminded of the story where the fake Screw Loose Change story that AJ jumped upon that said they were giving up debunking because they just cant take it anymore. I wonder what the Loose Change crew and AJ would say about this. haha
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AJ would reflexively dismiss it as a government psyop and continue with the paranoia and the shilling. Same as it ever was.
 
"Temecula"
Can you please provide us with your full name so we can verify this?
;)
 
Sunray Breaker said:
a)How did you once become a truther? I am not looking for answers, like "watching Loose Change". If possible, I'd like you to write in a bit more detailed manner, like "I watched Loose Change, and started surfing the internet. All I could find were more truther sites, which further reinforced my truther status... etc" or something like that.
It all started when I met Amanda…A girl I fell madly in love with. She was passionate about politics and helped to work on the Gore 2000 campaign. She showed me Terrorstorm (which was the hype that came before Loose Change from none other than Alex Jones. I was impressed with all of the news articles and seemingly reliable sources from which he gathered his information. Combining that with his charisma and high energy, I bought it…Hook, line and sinker. I investigated for a while and sort of fell off. But when Loose Change came out, It seemed to me that they had pretty solid evidence for the Inside Job case….And of course, the fancy editing and catchy music just woo’d me right back in.
I can almost remember the moment I went from curious party to full fledged truther…I was at work (where our internet restrictions we’re nonexistent) and it was a slow day. I decided to watch AJ’s Endgame. Afterwards. I remember stepping outside for a smoke break and seeing all of the buildings in Downtown Denver resemble prison walls, closing me in. I saw people shuffling to and from work and felt as if they we’re all willing slaves, bending to the will of their “corporate masters” and then I noticed that I was one of them…It scared the hell out of me. (even though I worked for a “corporate master”, kind enough to let me watch videos online at work, gave me pretty decent pay and I had NO right to really complain)
I started helping We Are Change hand out DVD’s, spreading the word to my friends and spreading the “documentaries” like a virus. I influenced a lot of people in my circle of friends. In retrospect, it was a pretty effective and fast brainwashing I went through. It’s amazing how powerful Woo can be sometimes.


b) What convinced you back from truther to non-truther? Once again, I hope you do not respond something like "truthers are dumb", but a bit more specific.
Once I saw Zeitgeist Addendum I thought I REALLY had it all figured out and tried to start a local Z:Movement chapter. It was then I thought I was equipped mentally to take on the skeptics, whom I thought would love the idea of the Zeitgeist Movement (a “scientific method” pseudo science based, godless society? What’s more to love? Right? WRONG!!!)
So I took to JREF with all that I had learned and jumped into the skeptics Zeitgeist forums. I got pwned with questions I couldn’t even begin to answer and when I looked up answers to those questions, it was then I realized that it was all a silly utopian fantasy, sprinkled with pseudo skepticism and a Technocratic, communist-like agenda disguising itself as peace….
Furthermore, I had watched Screw Loose Change: The Not FREAKIN’ Again Edition a year prior and was pretty shocked at what I had seen. But still wrapped up in 9/11 denial, I didn’t take it seriously enough (not to mention Loose Change Final Cut came out the very day I watched Screw Loose Change)
When I noticed that the skeptics didn’t do a final cut version of SLC and I saw various other convincing clips from the LC crew, I fell right back into the woo….I was fortunate enough to have skeptics present me with evidence about 9/11 That I’d never even heard of (not even in SLC) and I was speechless. I felt like I knew absolutely nothing as the truth was slapping me hard in the face.
I came to terms with the fact that I was (IN REALITY) Supporting a sort of soft hate group cult. I finally came to the realization that I needed to atone (so to speak, I’m an atheist by the way, but just making a point) So I used the same My Space page that I had used forever, to spread malicious lies and to attack the government…to instead inform all of my Truther friends of what they we’re really a part of. My screen name went from Domestic Errorism to “Woo”gasm Recovery Unit overnight and now…I’m a changed man.

c) What are your thoughts nowadays about your time as a truther? What mistakes you made back then? Were you 100% convinced, agressively promoting the truth? Whatever comes to your mind.
When I look back, it’s really hard to even imagine how far gone I was…I was reading everything I could on INFOWARS and trying to take it with a grain of salt, but I just couldn’t help but pay attention to it. I was bombarded with so much info that I never had enough time to really look into anything. I definitely regret some of the things I said in the past…I was aggressively promoting the “twoof” and now I’m aggressively promoting the TRUTH. I am even considering burning copies of screw loose change to hand out across the street from where We Are Change hands out their propaganda on the 11th of every month (with Gravy’s permission of course)
Now, I feel not only liberated, but happy again. I no longer feel miserable, powerless, enslaved, paranoid or angry anymore.

I feel normal again. Like…everything is out of my control, but it’s ALSO out of everyone else’s control, including the fabled “Elite.” Now that I feel this way, I feel not only empowered (I know it's ironic but stay with me) but wiser because of it.

Empowered to know that I have just as many opportunities (within reason) as anyone else...Wiser because I was willing to admit to myself that I knew nothing and should probably just shut up, sit down and learn something.
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Very Interesting story. Thanks for sharing.:)

Remember, it's skepticism and humility that are the foundations of science. Our hapless resident truthers don't mind getting pwned. They don't have a shred dignity so they make the most ridiculous analogies. We've seen the WTC towers get compared to lemons, barbecues, pizza boxes and sushi.

So much respect to you for ditching the "if you only watch this video you'll be enlightened like I was" attitude. It may seem weird to truthers but education is not based on how many YouTube videos you've watched.

ETA and FYI: MarkyX did the annotated "screw loose change: not freaking again" video. Gravy did the "Loose Change Guide".
 
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Firstly thank you to all for the positive and friendly comments. I do recognize names such as ref and Oliver from back in the day on LCF. I believe It was LCF 2.0 that I returned to with the new identity of "Cabbages" (I had a whole assumed identity for that name, a guy with poor English skills whose name was actually Kebbechez but everyone at work called him Cabbages) who was obsessed with 9/11 being caused by some medical gas company that used 'bad gas' to make people hallucinate the planes. He was kind of my attack on both the gullibility of the truth movement and the outrageous claims of the 'TV Fakery' CT subset. I think I even took that character to the SLC forums briefly. It was great fun. Between that venture and the occasional trolling under other names I came to recognize a few skeptic names. I myself was banned once from 2.0 for having the name "Why Won't God Heal Amputees".

Secondly, I did complete the 'ex-truther' inquiry form supplied earlier and bumped it's thread with my response.

bill smith said:
Can you identify the seminal moment that caused you to change sides ?
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Much like falling in the CT hole, crawling out was kind of gradual. I remember most of all it was the fringe elements that had at one time been the mainstays of 9/11 truth, such as Killtown that really supercharged my doubts of the validity of the truth movement's claims, and more or less drove me into the arms of skepticism. His "flight 93 plume analysis" was the first time I had really critically picked apart something form the 9/11 CT, and I remember how frustrating it was trying to explain such a simple, basic concept to a person and have then cover their ears and close their eyes and pretend it wasn't there. It helped me realize that I was often doing the same thing. I also remember the person using the name "Quest" arranging to call my house to discuss something about the forum rules when i was a moderator, and him just screaming into the phone about TV fakery being real for 20 minutes. I couldn't ignore the inherent insanity of the other truth movement adherents forever. I guess it's a lot of factors over a a period of time. The bottom line though is that if there were not skeptics there creating friction, asking questions and demanding answers, the seeds of doubt would have never been planted.

To answer other questions, No I am not from Temecula, CA. I just like the sound of the word Temecula. I've never been farther west than Lincoln, NE. It was 2006 when i began in the truth movement, making me about 30 years old. I Imagine I was involved heart and soul for about a year give or take.
 
Temecula said:
Much like falling in the CT hole, crawling out was kind of gradual. I remember most of all it was the fringe elements that had at one time been the mainstays of 9/11 truth, such as Killtown that really supercharged my doubts of the validity of the truth movement's claims, and more or less drove me into the arms of skepticism. His "flight 93 plume analysis" was the first time I had really critically picked apart something form the 9/11 CT, and I remember how frustrating it was trying to explain such a simple, basic concept to a person and have then cover their ears and close their eyes and pretend it wasn't there. It helped me realize that I was often doing the same thing.
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Heh, that reminds me of something.

CurtC said:
Hotdogbun over at LC keeps saying to Killtown that he doesn't think the image is faked. Killtown is barely able to contain himself, as he was doing over here. Also, Hotdogbun is a moderator at the LC Forum. Seems capable of rational thought, at least in one area. Maybe we should pursue him.
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Link.
 
Hokulele said:
Heh, that reminds me of something.
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I started reading that thread and a few posts down (I do not have the power to post links) I found this:

" Originally Posted by R.Mackey View Post
Before you get sucked into this 71-page black hole of ignorance and cyber-stalking, you should know something about Killtown's level of scientific understanding.

The best example is here, back on Page 31. Here and in the following posts, Killtown tries to add 580 MPH to 125 feet, getting 705 feet, and doesn't understand why that won't work. Even after having it patiently explained to him."

I LOL'd
 
Temecula said:
Hey folks, I used to be a moderator at the "Loose Change Forum" back in it's heyday before they went to LCF 2.0 and whatever came after that. My name there was HotDogBun. I used to ban or suspend people from JREF on almost a daily basis. I would always make sure the email message that accompanied the action was as over-the-top insulting as possible.
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I must have joined LCF after your time. I never got an email. Or any explanation whatsoever.

Russ Pickering offered to reinstate me if I agreed to behave, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me what I did to mis-behave or why I might want to go back.

In any event, welcome to the JREF Forums. There's a lot more to see than just conspiracy stuff. Feel free to poke around and have fun. But, keep an open mind and try to learn while you're at it. It's fun!
 
Temecula said:
I started reading that thread and a few posts down (I do not have the power to post links) I found this:

" Originally Posted by R.Mackey View Post
Before you get sucked into this 71-page black hole of ignorance and cyber-stalking, you should know something about Killtown's level of scientific understanding.

The best example is here, back on Page 31. Here and in the following posts, Killtown tries to add 580 MPH to 125 feet, getting 705 feet, and doesn't understand why that won't work. Even after having it patiently explained to him."

I LOL'd
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Once, on LCF: Killtown asked why the Flight 93 Data Recorder suddenly stopped recording while the plane was at 2,000 feet in altitude. I asked if he had ever bothered to look up the elevation of Shanksville. Later, I had to explain to him how the graph provided wasnt necessarily an acurate plot of the plane's trajectory since it was in feet of elevation versus units of time, rather than units of distance.

He never got it.
 
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