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The Fox News Presidency

But...why? I mean they're obvious, cheap photoshopping jobs. What was the intended effect, if they didn't even intend it as a joke?


Because their target audience don't see that they're "obvious, cheap photoshopping jobs".

How many times have James O'Keefe and Jacob Wohl been caught in hilariously ridiculous lies, only for those lies to end up as mainstream GOP talking points?

There's a hard core of idiots in the Republican Party that will believe just about anything they're told if it reinforces their beliefs, no matter how obvious or ridiculous the lies are.
 
Because their target audience don't see that they're "obvious, cheap photoshopping jobs".

I suppose that's possible*, but if you want to make people look ugly for... I don't know what the purpose is but... if you want to do that, at least hire people who can photoshop properly.

*: And as I mentioned earlier in some thread or another, Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars fame posted a looped and at some point reversed video of Hillary showing her nodding in a weird way, to prove that she was mentally ill. Apparently his viewers were too stupid to notice the obvious video editing.
 
I suppose that's possible*, but if you want to make people look ugly for... I don't know what the purpose is but... if you want to do that, at least hire people who can photoshop properly.



But that would require actually paying a fair wage to some hippie artist-type, and they're constitutionally incapable of doing that :D
 
And, BTW, Fox News is NOT part of the Newhouse corporations deal with Disney.Rupert will keep that.
I bet The Mouse is sort of happy not to have deal with all the baggage that would have come with Fox News.
 
Thanks for providing your expertise and answering my question.


Oh wait. You didn't.

I'm sorry, that was rude of me. I have a short CT fuse these days, and I apologize.


Norman Alexander said:
What is to stop Fox installing a couple hundred of their cable boxes in a warehouse and tuning them to Fox and Friends and Hannity and all those guys they want to promote 24x7 on repeat? They are rich so they can afford it. Each repeat may count as another view count.

Technically possible?
Theoretically, it would be possible, but in the real world, no.

  • Thousands not hundreds would be needed to affect things, IMO.
  • They would have to somehow link all of the boxes in that warehouse to real billing addresses for a cable company or satellite provider. This is probably the biggest problem. By coincidence, Nielsen actually syndicates business addresses (separate from TV ratings - totally different business), and a warehouse would show up on that database. Cable or satellite company would want to charge them the higher "business rate" if they were showing television as part of their business.
  • Cable or satellite provider would notice that this wasn't a residence when they showed up to install / deliver the equipment. "Please install 2,000 boxes in this warehouse" isn't going to go without notice. Sales people, incentive pay, bonuses, management would notice such a thing right away.
  • In my time, we didn't have streaming services, so I'm not positive, maybe they could buy hundreds of smartphones and pay interns to turn them on, run around and open up the Hulu app on each, watching Fox News streaming all day. But even then, they would have to create fake ID and residential addresses for Hulu, because that service, like all streaming services, has to respect real residential addresses for network media markets and sports blackout restrictions.
  • Even if this happened, in order to do it at scale, they would need some of their fake addresses to receive diaries, too. Not to mention how Nielsen would cross-check and find out that, oh, 450% of people in x city are watching Fox News. That would raise a red flag, and they would start checking census and other population data. All of this data is meant to fit together to understand the marketplace, TV ratings aren't in a vaccuum. For instance, Nielsen not only has business intelligence, but household panel data that they integrate into their other products.

Best option - have Trump build them a fake skyscraper and create thousands of addresses in that building, all for the purposes of inflating TV ratings. :D

Like other conspiracy theories, in the real world, you have to keep inflating the number of entities "in on it" for it to work practically. Fox can pull all of the shady nonsense they want on their airwaves, but the ratings are the ratings.
 
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Tucker Carlson’s Very Bad Week Leads to Huge Drop in Advertisers

Paid advertisements for “Tucker Carlson Tonight” have dropped to 39 percent of what it was before liberal group Media Matters for America unearthed old recordings in which Carlson made disparaging comments about women and minorities, a new analysis shows.

According to data company Samba TV, the show went from 36 advertisers on the Monday before the release of the tapes to 14 advertisers the day after.
 
I'm sorry, that was rude of me. I have a short CT fuse these days, and I apologize.
No probs.


Theoretically, it would be possible, but in the real world, no.

  • Thousands not hundreds would be needed to affect things, IMO.
  • They would have to somehow link all of the boxes in that warehouse to real billing addresses for a cable company or satellite provider. This is probably the biggest problem. By coincidence, Nielsen actually syndicates business addresses (separate from TV ratings - totally different business), and a warehouse would show up on that database. Cable or satellite company would want to charge them the higher "business rate" if they were showing television as part of their business.
  • Cable or satellite provider would notice that this wasn't a residence when they showed up to install / deliver the equipment. "Please install 2,000 boxes in this warehouse" isn't going to go without notice. Sales people, incentive pay, bonuses, management would notice such a thing right away.
  • In my time, we didn't have streaming services, so I'm not positive, maybe they could buy hundreds of smartphones and pay interns to turn them on, run around and open up the Hulu app on each, watching Fox News streaming all day. But even then, they would have to create fake ID and residential addresses for Hulu, because that service, like all streaming services, has to respect real residential addresses for network media markets and sports blackout restrictions.
  • Even if this happened, in order to do it at scale, they would need some of their fake addresses to receive diaries, too. Not to mention how Nielsen would cross-check and find out that, oh, 450% of people in x city are watching Fox News. That would raise a red flag, and they would start checking census and other population data. All of this data is meant to fit together to understand the marketplace, TV ratings aren't in a vaccuum. For instance, Nielsen not only has business intelligence, but household panel data that they integrate into their other products.

Best option - have Trump build them a fake skyscraper and create thousands of addresses in that building, all for the purposes of inflating TV ratings. :D

Like other conspiracy theories, in the real world, you have to keep inflating the number of entities "in on it" for it to work practically. Fox can pull all of the shady nonsense they want on their airwaves, but the ratings are the ratings.

I agree this idea of gaming the stats using physical inflation would all be thoroughly impractical and probably very expensive for very little real gain. Which is why I said it was theoretical at the start. But it was a start.

The underlying idea of that design would have been to virtualise the viewers. The next step is obvious and more achievable - virtualise the cable boxes. That way, indeed hundreds of thousands of extra "viewers" could be created at little cost. They would be simply software blobs emulating cable boxes, churning away pretending to watch whatever they were coded to watch at any time. Add some smart parameters to make this crowd simulate the behaviour of real viewers - they change channels, turn off at different times, etc, etc, and they would be hard to distinguish from "real' viewers.

In the IT world we do this sort of thing all the time when we stress-test internet applications and servers, network equipment, SAN loads, media feeds, etc. It's pretty standard stuff and has been around for years, and a single cheap test source can be quite "smart' in creating simulated load of many thousands of users doing any kind of work. Even back in the days of ASCII terminals (yeah, I'm old) we had "terminal simulators" firing away pretending to be whole buildings full of users.

Being virtual, they would not be on any of the satellite provider systems at all. No physical addresses, no reason for techies or salespeople to be involved. Diaries can be addressed to PO boxes or businesses. And now that they are collecting electronic data instead, it's even easier.

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/nielsen-announces-delay-replacing-local-market-diaries

Again, I'm not saying this IS being done. But in the race for the humungous advertising dollars, if it is cost-effective and possible, I would not put it past Fox to get it done.

https://it.slashdot.org/story/18/12...raffic-is-fake-turns-out-a-lot-of-it-actually
 
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Being virtual, they would not be on any of the satellite provider systems at all. No physical addresses, no reason for techies or salespeople to be involved. Diaries can be addressed to PO boxes or businesses.

Problem. As I noted above, a physical address is part of the deal for cable / satellite / streaming. You have to live somewhere, so that they know your media market for the purposes of advertising, ratings, local programming and sports blackout rules with the leagues. If diaries are going to businesses, that would be a business address. I know it's only a hypothetical, but as the system works, I don't see how this could circumvent it.

And, again, if you have fake people and fake addresses at any level of scale, they will exceed the local population and alarms will start going off. Even at the ZIP code level.
 
Like other conspiracy theories, in the real world, you have to keep inflating the number of entities "in on it" for it to work practically. Fox can pull all of the shady nonsense they want on their airwaves, but the ratings are the ratings.



Well, now it's a challenge: How To Pull This Off.

The idea of an apartment building with fake addresses in it has promise.


So, build a 50-storey tower with 20 units per floor. That's 1000 real units. Include an extra "utilities" suite on each floor.

During building, call in every local cable supplier to pre-wire the building. Tell them we want each unit to have a choice in who their supplier is, so they don't get suspicious if they notice other hook-ups in place. Around here, I can get TV service 3 ways: Rogers Cable, Bell Fiber, or Satellite, so that gives us 3000 potential hook-ups.

1000 of them will eventually be real hook-ups, but we can re-route the other 2000 to the utilities suite, where they connect to our fake boxes. Create addresses for each one, starting the numbering of fake units on each floor at 21, so no one in the building will accidentally get real mail sent to the fake address. Set up on-line billing for each account, so no mail is expected to arrive at all.

Gradually bring the fakes online, so no one at the cable companies notices a sudden spike in subscribers. Every cable company only gets the number of subscribers equal to the number of lines they put in, so no flags there. Spread out over time, and they might not even notice that they have an apparent 100% take-up in that building. Maybe restrict ourselves to only an 80 or 90% fake rate to cover the possibility of them noticing anyways.

So, now we have a real building, with real tenants, who really subscribe to some TV providers, but with fake units outnumbering real ones about 2-to-1.

Now, how much would that cost us in monthly subscriptions, and how many such buildings would we need to build to affect the ratings enough to matter?
 
We should pre-wire the whole building for demolition with nano-thermite, just in case we need to get rid of the evidence someday.

Good thinking on the numbering; I was going to inflate the number of floors. Fake units on each floor would be much easier.
 
Good thinking on the numbering; I was going to inflate the number of floors. Fake units on each floor would be much easier.



I was thinking we might need mailboxes for each unit though, which causes a complication. How do we arrange them so that no one living there notices there's three times as many boxes as needed?

We might need to build this as some sort of multi-tower complex with a central lobby area with the mailboxes. Lay it out as some kind of maze so you can't see all the boxes at once, and most people will never notice the extras. Anyone who does notice that there are a lot more boxes than they'd expect from their own tower will then chalk it up to the other towers having more units than their own.

The post office will have no way of knowing most are fake, because none of their employees will live in the building.
 
Well, now it's a challenge: How To Pull This Off.

The idea of an apartment building with fake addresses in it has promise.

Why bother building it.... put a unit in every room of every floor of every Trump hotel. Have the units permanently switched on and tuned to Faux News 24/7/365

(I'm sure Donny would go along with efforts to boost his Propaganda Arm's ratings).
 
As of Wenesday, I can watch the Fox Network, Fox Movie channel and my local Fox affiliate without feeling guilty that is some way I am helping Fox News by watching them.One good thing from the Fox Disney deal.
 
I think Trump's attacks on Fox News is the classic case of the Monster turning on it's creator.
 

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