Moon Hoax conspiracy

[TraitorBasher]

Thanks for the link. (sort of).

So what?

So I have destroyed kookbreakers ridiculous claim that there is no temperature in space.

 

[kookbreaker]

Heat is also transmitted via waves.

No. EM waves can produce movement of molecules in objects. Until it strikes the object it is not heat.

It also requires them to be absorbed by object being absorbed. Reflective surfaces tend to cut down on that. Heat loss from other causes would beat out the gain from the sun.

What temperature would the thermometer show?

What kind of thermometer? A simple mercury thermometer will likely lose heat faster than it absorbs it, assuming it does not crack from pressure issues.

 

[kookbreaker]

So I have destroyed kookbreakers ridiculous claim that there is no temperature in space.

3 degrees Kelvin?

You were saying that they had to run air-conditioners.

You're not very good at this, are you?

 

[Spindrift]

So I have destroyed kookbreakers ridiculous claim that there is no temperature in space.

Sorry, I must have missed the destruction of physics as we currently understand it.

 

[TraitorBasher]

Would any of you walk on the light side of the moon in a suit without air conditioning?

 

[NobbyNobbs]

In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned building. In 2002 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the memory required to take off again once landed. The alleged computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory. That's the equivalent of a simple calculator.

I grew up with a Commodore VIC20, with a total of 3Kb of memory. You could play Pacman on the thing.

I went through college with a Commodore 64, with 64Kb of memory. I remember as a college student using Basic to program the thing so that when I played a note on my synthesizer (which I hardwired to the computer), the computer would perform a Fourier analysis, breaking hte note down into sine waves, pick the top four, and play them back through the computer speakers in an attempt to recreate the sound.

Remember, this was as a civilian college student, using Basic and not much knowledge of computers, with 64K at my disposal, most of which I didn't use. Using the same amount of memory to compute Newtonian mechanics should have been a cinch.

ERichardson-

What computational tasks were required for going to the moon?

So what? Technicaly you could get to moon with zero computeing power by doing all the maths by hand



Um back in the mid 90s I ran them on systems with 4MB and thaat was hardly putting the system under stress. Simulations are meaningless though since they had the real thing to play with. The right brothers couldn't run computer sims of their flights did they not happen?



You can use the same memory or just do the whole thing manualy. It's a non issue.



You can do a lot with 32K if you don't have to worry about a fancy GUI. Certianly newtonian physics which is all you need for a moon landing (don't even have to allow for air resitance).

I saw a special on science fiction authors. Jules Verne had figured out what initial velocity would be required go to the moon, how long it would take to get there, and what sort of provisions would be needed. This was in the 19th century. I'd like to think our computing power has improved since then.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

ERich, around here most still believe Oswald killed JFK...

Correct.

...and Osama did 9/11.

Correct.

You won't convince anybody the moon landings were faked.

Thanks to the presence or absence of that little item called evidence. For all three of your examples.

 

[TraitorBasher]

Originally posted by kookbreaker:

You seem to think that outer space is hot. That is wrong. It has no temperature.

If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there.

Kookbreakers claim was very easily destroyed.

 

[Spindrift]

Would any of you walk on the light side of the moon in a suit without air conditioning?

The light side of the moon? There is no light side of the moon. I think an elementary school astronomy class would do you a lot of good.

And I thought you were talking about the spacecraft being air conditioned.

The EVA suits were air conditioned because of the heat generated by the astronaut himself.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

HELLO!

This "temperature in space" tangent is of no value. It has already been established that ICs, not vacuum tubes were used. Even if vacuum tubes had been used, space would have provided sufficient cooling for them.

Let's refocus on the main claim:
* Van Allen belt

 

[ArmillarySphere]

Would any of you walk on the light side of the moon in a suit without air conditioning?

Definitely. I'd much prefer, say, a liquid-cooled undergarment connected to a sublimating plate.

 

[kookbreaker]

Would any of you walk on the light side of the moon in a suit without air conditioning?

Space suits had liquid cooling systems, but they were for keeping you cool from your internally generated heat. Given the number of layers you were wearing you could seriously build up a sweat and cause problems.

Beyond that, the reflective surfaces were what was needed. Not air conditioning.

A decent write-up on Space Suits: http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/suitnasa.html

 

[HyJinX]

They were surrounded by a vacuum

Someone had to do it. Sorry.

 

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by kookbreaker

Kookbreakers claim was very easily destroyed.

I love how he's trying to win on a technicality when my comment was in reply to his claim that the Moon is so hot that you need to run the air-conditioner all the time.

 

[ArmillarySphere]

Originally posted by kookbreaker:

You seem to think that outer space is hot. That is wrong. It has no temperature.

If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there.

Kookbreakers claim was very easily destroyed.

So... how come the Moon never reaches that temperature? Isn't it in space?

 

[CurtC]

Its a vacuum. And kookbreaker claimed there was no temperature. Total rubbish. There would be a temperature even if it was close to absolute zero.

What do you think happens in a vacuum to a thermometer?

If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there.

Your source proves our point that a vacuum has no temperature. An object in deep, dark space would cool off to the temperature of the objects around it through mutual exchange of radiation. The object that surrounds everything is the MBR, at a temp of 2.7 K. But it's extremely distant, and you can't say that the temperature of the vacuum is 2.7 K because the MBR is 2.7 K.

However, the Apollo ships were not in deep, dark space. They were being shined on by the Sun. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the color and shinyness of the capsule were chosen so that the solar heat, body heat, and electronics heat generated, balance with the heat lost through radiation. On the other hand, maybe there was a net heat gain from the first three, so they painted the command module white and still had to get rid of some heat.

Also, their air conditioners were not at all like the ones we use in houses and cars.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Someone had to do it. Sorry.

the vacuum of space:

or, if you prefer, "Shes gone from suck to blow!"

 

[Aoidoi]

Would any of you walk on the light side of the moon in a suit without air conditioning?

Same link as above.

How could the astronauts survive in the heat of the Moon's day? Objects that are heated cannot be cooled by space.

This is true, to a point, however spacesuits can radiate heat. All objects above absolute zero radiate heat; therefore some of the heat energy received from the Sun is radiated back into space as infrared rays. Also, much of the Sun's radiant energy can be reflected away. The astronaut's spacesuits were white because this color reflects the most radiation, thereby minimizing the amount absorbed. Finally, the spacesuits were equipped with a cooling system that utilized water as a medium to carry away excess heat.

The cooling system consisted of a cooling garment worn by the astronaut, a heat exchanger, and a porous plate sublimator. Water was circulated through tubes in the cooling garment where it absorbed heat from the astronaut’s body and then carried it to the heat exchanger in the backpack. As water passed through the heat exchanger, heat was transferred to a layer of ice on the surface of the porous plate sublimator causing the ice to sublimate and the resulting gas carried away the unwanted heat. The ice was replaced by continually seeping a small amount of water through holes in the metal plate of the sublimator. When the water was exposed to the vacuum of space, the sudden drop in pressure caused it to immediately freeze onto the plate’s surface.

 

[332nd]

So... About them there Van Allen Belts...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Your source proves our point that a vacuum has no temperature. An object in deep, dark space would cool off to the temperature of the objects around it through mutual exchange of radiation. The object that surrounds everything is the MBR, at a temp of 2.7 K. But it's extremely distant, and you can't say that the temperature of the vacuum is 2.7 K because the MBR is 2.7 K.

However, the Apollo ships were not in deep, dark space. They were being shined on by the Sun. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the color and shinyness of the capsule were chosen so that the solar heat, body heat, and electronics heat generated, balance with the heat lost through radiation. On the other hand, maybe there was a net heat gain from the first three, so they painted the command module white and still had to get rid of some heat.

Also, their air conditioners were not at all like the ones we use in houses and cars.

IIRC the casules were balanced, so the heat generated by the equipment and bodies is balanced by the heat lost to space

this is why apollo 13 got really really cold when they shut off all the equipment