Moon Hoax conspiracy

[TraitorBasher]

Hi.

I am new to the forum. I just watched a film called "a funny thing happened on the way to the moon." It was my first exposure to moon conspiracies and it was very compelling.

In particular, I found the Van Allen belt evidence very compelling. How did the astronauts survive this given that 27 years later at Chernobyl there were no suits capable of withstanding the radiation from the reactor there?

Thoughts?

 

[Rob Lister]

Thoughts?

Three full pages before you toss away the pretense of being 'just curious'.

Just in case you are just curious, here's a good primer

http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html

 

[Quad4_72]

You know that there are different types and levels of radiation correct?

 

[R.Mackey]

This particular argument is so thoroughly debunked that it has been, in fact, presented as an school exercise for children.

I have no idea what would compel someone to compare the Chernobyl accident (at an unspecified time, location, and distance) to the van Allen belts in the first place. They're not the same. Use numbers, people.

Finally, if you believe this argument for the hoax, you must also believe that the Space Station is also a hoax, as it passes through the South Atlantic Anomaly.

 

[CurtC]

Welcome, ERichardson.

I've seen bits and pieces of that video, but not enough to know the details of what you're saying. Can you explain how the Van Allen belts are compared to the Chernobyl radiation?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

doubt post...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

lighten up on the guy, its entirely possible he is just honestly curious (and yes, its possible hes just baiting too, but doesnt everyone deserve the benefit of the doubt the first time around?)

 

[TraitorBasher]

Welcome, ERichardson.

I've seen bits and pieces of that video, but not enough to know the details of what you're saying. Can you explain how the Van Allen belts are compared to the Chernobyl radiation?

They both produce lethal doses of radiation.

You should watch the whole film, there is footage of the astronauts discussing how they faked the earth pictures from the spacecraft.

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

lighten up on the guy, its entirely possible he is just honestly curious (and yes, its possible hes just baiting too, but doesnt everyone deserve the benefit of the doubt the first time around?)

Yeah, guys; it's entirely possible. Take it easy! I know you need to pounce and be superior. No need to be condescending.

(I'm wondering how long before somebody calls "socks" on this poor traveller).

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Also watch this French documentary, called "Dark Side of the Moon." Be sure to watch the whole thing!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3288261061829859642

 

[jimbob]

http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm

 

[defaultdotxbe]

They both produce lethal doses of radiation.

almost anything can produce a lethal dose of radiation, its a matter of how fast it produces it, chernobyl, inside the old reactor core, you can absorb a lethal dose in a few minutes, in the vanallen belts (according to the paper r mackey linked you too) it would take several hours at the least (and the astronauts spent less than an hour travelling through it)

comparing the two is a bit like comparing a pistol to a missile, sure they can both be lethal, but one is quite a bit more lethal

 

[Hammer_of_Thor]

I havent been posting here for long but I am now seeing how easy these "socks" are to spot. They just show up, say hi, throw out a bunch of "questions" and "what ifs" and then leave.

ER,

If you are for real there is load of stuff out there on this topic. Try

http://www.badastronomy.com

It is a great astronomy site and shows how all of the moon hoax stuff is wrong.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The van Allen belts are regions above the Earth's surface where the Earth's magnetic field has trapped particles of the solar wind. An unprotected man would indeed get a lethal dose of radiation, if he stayed there long enough. Actually, the spaceship traveled through the belts pretty quickly, getting past them in an hour or so. There simply wasn't enough time to get a lethal dose, and, as a matter of fact, the metal hull of the spaceship did indeed block most of the radiation. For a detailed explanation of all this, my fellow Mad Scientist William Wheaton has a page with the technical data about the doses received by the astronauts. Another excellent page about this, that also gives a history of NASA radiation testing, is from the Biomedical Results of Apollo site. An interesting read!

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

 

[TraitorBasher]

If they got through the belt in an hour then thats at least 2 hours counting the return journey. The apollo ship itself would provide virtually no protection, it was made of steel, aluminium etc.

The tape of the astronauts discussing how they were faking the earth images can't just be dismissed. Has anyone here watched the film?

 

[zooterkin]

If they got through the belt in an hour then thats at least 2 hours counting the return journey. The apollo ship itself would provide virtually no protection, it was made of steel, aluminium etc.

Yes, and from the numbers in the paper referred to above, two hours was way too short to reach anywhere near a dangerous level of exposure. Which part of that are you having a problem with?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

To put it in perspective, the shell can actually stop most slow typs of radiation. What did pierce the skin was in such low amounts that they wre exposed to the same amounts you would be from living around 3 years in the continental US.

As for the film? It's pretty much a CT woo piece, from what I can see.

 

[ponderingturtle]

If they got through the belt in an hour then thats at least 2 hours counting the return journey. The apollo ship itself would provide virtually no protection, it was made of steel, aluminium etc.

Well that would depend on the nature of the radiation. If you paid attention to the news, you would know how polonium 210 is safe to handle, and incredibly radioactive. That is because it is an alpha emiter, and your skin is an effective means of stoping it. Of course if taken internaly it is a very effective way to kill someone

 

[TraitorBasher]

As for the film? It's pretty much a CT woo piece, from what I can see.

Have you watched it? Can you explain the tape of the astronauts discussing the faking of earth pictures?

 

[apathoid]

ER, are you aware of what Dr. Van Allen(yes, that Van Allen) had to say about the lethal radiation theory?