[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

[A W Smith]

Are you going to answer this lyte?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2789553#post2789553

Produce the physical evidence of a north of citgo flyover or concede the argument lyte

 

[T.A.M.]

Deb Anlauf:

Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon..."

TAM

 

[bje]

I will address everything except his "witness list" which he has to explain for here.

But you haven't, Lyte Trip. You continue to evade addressing this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...&postcount=150

Please explain why hundreds of rescue and recovery personnel who saw and removed the wreckage from the Pentagon are not "material witnesses" and are all of a sudden not part of the "witness pool."

Explain to all of us why you are NOT interested in what the wreckage was if the ONLY witness you depend on claims it was not aircraft wreckage?

Please explain why you do not want to address questions of evidence and the testimony of hundreds of rescue and recovery personnel, Lyte Trip.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Foolmewunz,

You are missing the point of my challenge.

Gravy made a claim that he has not backed up with evidence.

I am publicly challenging the veracity of that claim.

Neither Gravy, you, or your "city editor" friend has supported the incorrect notion that 105 witnesses reported having seen the impact with evidence.

No, you are missing the point of our dismissal. You're the one who says that Gravy's compilation is false/inaccurate. Now you go prove it.

 

[T.A.M.]

Gary Bauer:

“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment."

 

[T.A.M.]

So lets say there are 70 of the 105 who actually state that they saw the jet airliner HIT THE PENTAGON. Those 70 kind of put your "Fly-Over" theory to rest...you can SPECULATE all you want on how they might have been fooled, and then the plane "flew over", but it is pure speculation. The witnesses say they saw the PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

James Cissel:

From Interview with Cincinatti Post:

He remembers the helipad the plane flew over before smacking into the Pentagon was close enough to him that ''I could have thrown a baseball at it and hit it.''

Then the plane, which was taking out telephone and power lines on its way in, hit the building.

While he remembers seeing the crash, Cissell remembers none of the sounds.

''It came in in a perfectly straight line,'' he said.

''It didn't slow down. I want to say it accelerated. It just shot straight in.''

 

[T.A.M.]

Terrance Kean:

"I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."

 

[T.A.M.]

Major Lincoln Leibner:

From his vantage point, Maj. Leibner looked up and saw the plane come in. "I was about 100 yards away," he said. "You could see through the windows of the aircraft. I saw it hit."

This quote and all the others I have listed, along with more, can be found here. I am sure Gravy's list is much longer than this one.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Major Lincoln Leibner:



This quote and all the others I have listed, along with more, can be found here. I am sure Gravy's list is much longer than this one.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

TAM, I couldn't read that thing past James Cissel's entry. I know you're the psychiatrist here and I'm just a layman... but I swear people like Lyte Trip and his Crap Instigating Team... they have to be full on sociopaths to read things like this and say that all of those people are lying.

I see nothing resembling guilt, remorse or compassion from Lyte (and about 5 dozen other notorious troofers). Just a single-minded laser-like focus on stroking his own ego.

These people, they are the second closest thing to pure evil after the terorrists themselves.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Gravey made a claim without backing it up with evidence? Evidence such as the damage path, the DNA, the FDR, the witnesses, the phone calls, the radar, the wreckage, the computer simulations, the admission of the hijackers, the money trails, the receipts, the suicide notes, the training manuals, the flight training. It goes on and on. But Lyte says he doesn't back it up. Funny.


And yet not a shred of evidence to support this magical fly-over claim.


Kettle, meet pot.

 

[ConspiRaider]

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1. Sprinkle black pepper liberally on plate. Cover, put aside.

2. Purchase 3 cans Spaghetti and Meatballs, 15 oz. Separate meatballs from spaghetti. Cover, put aside. Save spaghetti as filling for mouth-watering dessert (Spaghetti Cream Pie, recipe next week).

3. Purchase one pair reading glasses, 20x. Place on face. Look through.

4. From pepper plate, select one choice grain of pepper. Wrap around meatball, using toothpicks to fasten.

5. Repeat step 4 until all meatballs covered by one pepper grain each.

6. Place in oven. For old-fashioned flavor, add one gramophone and one butter churn to baking dish, per meatball. Cover. Bake. Enjoy.

 

[twinstead]

So, the majority of eye witnesses STILL report a plane hitting the Pentagon.

What's your point, LYTE?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So, the majority of eye witnesses STILL report a plane hitting the Pentagon.

What's your point, LYTE?

That none report the plane not hitting the Pentagon.

 

[strathmeyer]

Foolmewunz,

You are missing the point of my challenge.

Gravy made a claim that he has not backed up with evidence.

I am publicly challenging the veracity of that claim.

Neither Gravy, you, or your "city editor" friend has supported the incorrect notion that 105 witnesses reported having seen the impact with evidence.

Why do we get for completing your challenge? How do we know it won't just be ignored like all of the other evidence you have been shown? Why should we provide evidence to someone who provides none for their own absurd claims?

 

[Totovader]

Totovader,

Can you please the list the 105 or get Gravy to list the 105?

And detail how they saw the actual impact without contraciting any other part of the story?

The list is available on his site.

I'm not sure what you mean by "contraciting"- but if you are trying to claim that the witnesses contradict themselves... then you need to rethink your entire theory on that Pentacon nonsense.

Burden of proof is on you- prove that the witnesses are lying, duped, paid off, etc. The physical evidence matches the vast majority of the eyewitness testimony. Your attempts to make them "Gravy's witnesses" won't change that.

 

[Totovader]

Is this witness lying, Tripper?

He had to clarify, because people like you were trying to quote mine, and claim he said something that he actually did not say.

It doesn't get any more clear than this.

 

[mortimer]

So what you are looking for are the words "I saw the plane hit the building" or "I saw the plane hit the Pentagon", and if these exact words are not there, then what?

TAM

Well, absolutely he is. Just as the lack of any witness to say the words, "I saw the plane fly south of the Citgo" allows him to say that nobody has directly contradicted his Citgo witnesses' claim that it flew north.

You could have a witness who was south of the Citgo say that it flew "directly overhead", and Lyte would still claim it doesn't contradict his witnesses because they didn't mention where the plane was in relation to the Citgo.

Oh, and I thought I just might add, for Lyte's benefit, that physical evidence trumps eyewitness testimony. Always.

Lyte, I know you've heard it before, but it bears repeating. For you to have any case whatsoever, you have to have direct evidence that the physical evidence was faked and/or planted. You have none.

 

[Qubit]

And detail how they saw the actual impact without contraciting any other part of the story?

I am not sure what you mean by "contraciting[sic] any other part of their story". If you think their is some conspiracy because not every story matches exactly with every other story or the official story, then you are blindly mistaken. In fact, I would be more suspicious if all their accounts matched; word for word. Try this experiment, take a trip with 4-5 friends and then at the end have everyone write down what they saw. I am sure not everyone's accounts will match. In fact, I bet there will be some accounts that come into question.

The list that was compiled are witness accounts; what they perceived during that day. Just because they may not be 100% accurate does not mean they are lying.

 

[DavidJames]

The witnesses reports that support the official version are publicly reported in various mainstream media outlets. The witnesses that Lyte Head believes support his fantasy are limited to Lyte's personal interviews and subsequent interpretation and cherry picked quotes.

Also remember that Lyte has so much confidence in his "evidence" that he:

1. Refuses to publish the original interviews.
2. Refuses to share his "evidence" with the mainstream media.
3. Refuses to share his "evidence" with any authorities who could actually act on it.

Why is he is perfectly happy that those he feels guilty of mass murder go unpunished? Because he knows his claims are a fraud. He knows his "evidence" will be laughed at, picked apart, and thrown out. His ego would not tolerate that.