Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image

[aleCcowaN]

Jabba, this pro-authenticity shroud site is every bit as trashy as yours:

http://www.shroudnm.com/docs/seam-turin-shroud-presentation1-intro.pdf

How come you don't cite it?

How you dare to invoke his competitor !? Don't you know that God amassed diamonds and sapphires and topazes and made Jabba and later amassed BS and dung and rat excrement and made his distinguished competitor?

 

[Degeneve]

Hold on. Yabba was asked about the qualifications of the people who made the investigation, so he replies. No problem in that.

However, I'm not too impressed. There are some relevant qualifications there, but the problem is that the material those people had to work on was very slim.

Hans

There might indeed be some relevant qualifications in the list, but it appears that for instance Jim Drusik who's qualification is seemingly art historian did not even approach the shroud as he did not go to Turin if I believe the content of this list: https://www.shroud.com/78team.htm

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

How about you come up with some evidence to support authenticity^® instead?

You have none. You lost.

 

[jond]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

Does this mean you've given up on providing positive evidence in favor of authenticity?

 

[Mojo]

- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

Even if you could, what date would that establish for the cloth?

 

[Mojo]

Remember, Jabba, that you need to establish authenticity. Merely casting doubt on opposing evidence won't do. Otherwise you would have to start from an assumption that every piece of cloth in the world is the authentic shroud until it has been proven not to be. It must be clear, even to you, that this would be ridiculous.

 

[Craig4]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

If you could do that, you would have by now.

ETA: Better idea, pretend the carbon dating never happened and offer positive evidence that the cloth is what you claim it to be.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Remember, Jabba, that you need to establish authenticity. Merely casting doubt on opposing evidence won't do. Otherwise you would have to start from an assumption that every piece of cloth in the world is the authentic shroud until it has been proven not to be. It must be clear, even to you, that this would be ridiculous.

That implies every god exists and, you know, it happens

«Only one religion can be true»™

So stop suggesting illogic things and accusing Jabba of making the cake and eating it too.

 

[jond]

Remember, Jabba, that you need to establish authenticity. Merely casting doubt on opposing evidence won't do. Otherwise you would have to start from an assumption that every piece of cloth in the world is the authentic shroud until it has been proven not to be. It must be clear, even to you, that this would be ridiculous.

Because Jabba needs to read this. And understand it.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

I bet the Catholic Church has a rite which turns any old piece of cloth into The Shroud

 

[Craig4]

Transubfabrication?

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Transubfabrication?

Nice

 

[Mashuna]

Transubfabrication?

Historically yes, although now they just use fabrication.

 

[Craig4]

Nice

You opened the door, all I did was walk through.

 

[John Jones]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

You've tried before and gotten nowhere. You're not up to the task, to be blunt.

Establishing reasonable doubt does not mean slandering all the ¹⁴C scientists as dishonest and incompetent.

It does not mean repeating gossip about McCrone being 'hard to work with'.

You'll be back.

 

[Aepervius]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

Darling , if you could have done that with your previous attempt at aspersion, well dear you would have. But my love, you have nothing. Baby doll, your previous atempts with the patch-which-may-not-be-invisible-on-both-side and is-actually-from-the-same-age-as-the-rest-of-the-cloth failed miserably. My little cupid, you also misunderstood the mathematical statistical analyzes on the date , and if you recall the person which presented it to you in this thread even warned you against using it in your rethoric. Honey cake, the vanillin result have been thrown out out of various reason (not used by anybody, invalid to use STP, suspect result on pretending the 14C test zone had vanillin etc...).

So my lovely angel. Please stop pretending you have any argument against the 14C. You have nothing you did not present us yet 17 times.

Love xoxo <3<3

 

[John Jones]

Transubfabrication?

 

[John Jones]

So the shroud is of no use and it's everything pretty much god exists, Jebus heals and saves and the shroud is authentic, as if piling up arbitrary notions made them more likely to be true. [...]

Exactly.

 

[Susheel]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

Already attempted and failed at...

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Hans,
- How about if I can establish reasonable doubt with the C14 evidence?

"Reasonable doubt" is what you need to get someone off murder. This is not a criminal trial, it's a scientific question. What you need is to disprove the scientific evidence.