Loose Change - Part III

[DavidJames]

JohndoeX is saying that because some of the pilots had prior military training, they would have better weapons given to them to combat against hijackers.

Now, I am not a pilot and nor do I play one on TV, but was it standard practice before 9/11 to arm pilots with military experience knives? Or is JohndoeX talking about using their hands as weapons?

He jumped all over me when I said he claimed to be a working pilot. This was in the context of me asking him why he posted so much at LC.


He's also repeated multiple times he's been flying for 20 years. He also said he was in middle school when the Iran Contra story broke - that was 20 years ago.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7903

hmmmm

 

[gumboot]

Here's a hilarious post from a buddy of mine. Conservative blog, but this post is entirely non-politics.

Their link to a conspiracy generator is great.

In order to understand power you need to realize that everything is controlled by a legion made up of midgits with help from monkey lovers.

The conspiracy first started during christmas in oklahoma. They have been responsible for many events throughout history, including the crusades.

Today, members of the conspiracy are everywhere. They can be identified by sneezing.

They want to exterminate vampire clans and imprison resisters in timaru using tricycles.

In order to prepare for this, we all must sieze. Since the media is controlled by lawyers we should get our information from innkeepers.

-Andrew

 

[Class]

A woman claiming to be Wendy Burlingame, the daughter of the pilot of American Airlines flight 77 posted in this thread

I resisted posting here, but after this comment, I had to.

My name is Wendy Burlingame. My father was the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77.

My father was a graduate of the US Naval Academy, graduated with honors from the Top \"Top Gun\" school, in Miramar and flew for the Navy and served on the USS Saratoga.

You have no idea how my father felt about his country and for the military. There is no question in my mind that my father died before the plane hit the Pentagon. He would never allow his plane to hit a building that was filled with people he worked with and many he considered friends.

Reading the conspiracy theories regarding my father have made me and my family sick. We realize this it being done by sick individuals who need to deal with 9-11 in a different way than others. It does not make it any easier when you read your father was involved with the terrorists when you Google his name. I hope the people who write these things can sleep well at night

There is not a day that goes by that I don\'t think about my father. I hope you are lucky enough to never deal with losing a family member at an early age.

I will now let you get back to making fun of my father as he lays at rest in Arlington Cemetery.

 

[delphi_ote]

A woman claiming to be Wendy Burlingame, the daughter of the pilot of American Airlines flight 77 posted in this thread

That's the kind of thing I'm afraid of.

 

[CptColumbo]

The pilots fighting back against the hi-jackers is IMO even less likely than the passengers. Cockpits, from what I've seen when I peek in them, restrict your movement even more than the cabin. Plus there are things you don't want to hit accidently. Futhermore, I would assume that at least one pilot would still be strapped in, facing front.

 

[JamesB]

That's the kind of thing I'm afraid of.

That is the main reason I put so much time into this. They are mocking the memory of real people, and these idiots think it is a freaking video game.

 

[delphi_ote]

That is the main reason I put so much time into this. They are mocking the memory of real people, and these idiots think it is a freaking video game.

Can anyone post over there and let her know we exist over here and that we're trying to fight these people?

 

[MarkyX]

Screenshot !

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr

I anger CTs, therefore I am Karl Rove.

 

[CurtC]

If that is really Burlingame's daughter posting that. It sounds plausible, but I figure there is just one Wendy Burlingame in America, but probably a hundred or more willing to post that.

 

[DavidJames]

A woman claiming to be Wendy Burlingame, the daughter of the pilot of American Airlines flight 77 posted in this thread

Hard to say if she's legit, but see how quickly that two faced lying scumbag John quickly forgot all the crap he was spewing about the pilots.

Yes, time to count to 10 and get a nice calming glass of wine

 

[Class]

I'm still trying to get him to tell me who employs him or what company he works for.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Screenshot !

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr

I anger CTs, therefore I am Karl Rove.

"Mark Roberts is CIA." Is it a law in CT-land that you can just make up anything without offering proof? Not that I want to move there, but it would explain a lot about its citizenry.

 

[Gravy]

JDX, why don't you repeat that to the families of these men:

Thanks for that post, Chipmunk.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I'm still trying to get him to tell me who employs him or what company he works for.

While CTers are notorious for asking questions, answering them seems to be pretty much beyond their abilities.

 

[Gravy]

JohndoeX is saying that because some of the pilots had prior military training, they would have better weapons given to them to combat against hijackers.

I think he means that the pilots should have known to use the tab key to select weapons, Command+F to select firing mode, left click to fire, and Command+R to reload. Did they not receive such basic training, or did they panic and forget it?

 

[delphi_ote]

I think he means that the pilots should have known to use the tab key to select weapons, Command+F to select firing mode, left click to fire, and Command+R to reload. Did they not receive such basic training, or did they panic and forget it?

Lag and campers will get you every time, no matter how much you've played trained.

 

[Brainster]

If that is really Burlingame's daughter posting that. It sounds plausible, but I figure there is just one Wendy Burlingame in America, but probably a hundred or more willing to post that.

It's reasonably plausible; don't forget that Charles Burlingame's sister Debra is obviously quite aware of Loose Change. In fact, she came up with a pretty good quip about the movie, noting that about the only thing Dylan got right about September 11th was the date.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Dylan and his Looser crowd are no different than the Reverend Fred Phelps and his evil brood.

 

[JamesB]

It's reasonably plausible; don't forget that Charles Burlingame's sister Debra is obviously quite aware of Loose Change. In fact, she came up with a pretty good quip about the movie, noting that about the only thing Dylan got right about September 11th was the date.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Dylan and his Looser crowd are no different than the Reverend Fred Phelps and his evil brood.

The exact quote is:

"The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred," says Debra Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot of American Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.

"They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm

Whether that is Wendy or not, I don't think there is much question that the family would feel that way about these idiots.

 

[Brainster]

Viral Marketing 101

James and I see a lot of forums in our referring logs, which shows how Loose Change is marketed. Here's a pretty good example from the Ogrish Forums.

First comes the tossup post:

this video is long but well worth it,
gurantted to be origonal and not a repost,
if u can argue the points made in this video be my guest
its a must see

You can see the usual impeccable spelling and grammar for which the Loosers are well known displayed here.

But the marketing runs into sales resistance rather quickly on this thread:

Loose Change viewer's guide: Point-by-point analysis of what's fact and what's bullcrap in the video
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

Sifting Through Loose Change- another viewer's guide (easy to follow)
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/revi...roduction.html

Loose Marbles; 3 part debunking of Loose Change scene-by-scene
http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/...marbles-i.html

Screw Loose Change; A blog which collects various debunkings of Loose Change including a four-part list of blatant and verifiable lies in the video
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Uh-oh! Time for some backup!

Just the fact that both those towers collapsed is proof in itself. You can clearly see explosions throughout the building as it's falling down.

As the resistance continues we get a third poster, and the sales effort becomes more petulant, with the predictable references to sheeple, and the long, cut & paste passages:

I am really suprised comeing to ogrish forum i thought this would be the last place I would find sheeple I thought people here would not be supporting the corrupt system I guess I was wrong.

We also get the usual "watch this video"; I suspect that Chuck Sheen/Datars teaches this segment:

I posted some google videos in this thread yesterday...why not take a look at some of them and don't just watch the first few minutes and turn off, give them a chance.

Somebody will inevitably drag the Jooooos into it:

If there is conspiracy, then there WILL be some truth in it ! Conspiracy people do not have wild imaginations; they are actually people who have some brains left that have not been affected by GMF. No terrorist network in the east had anything to do with 9/11...it was an inside job....JEWS are once again asking for trouble and by bringing down the towers they have crossed the line.

(I believe GMF stands for Genetically Modified Foods).

Note particularly that almost all of the CTers posting on the forum are "Forum Newcomers". Many of them are probably sock puppets.

The good news, of course, is that the members of the forums have the quick answer to the nutbars: Check out Gravy's critique, check out Screw Loose Change. I do wish that folks would stop linking that Sifting Through Loose Change page; maybe they think that a page which critiques from the CT standpoint is more credible with CTers?

James and I have seen hundreds of these forums in our referring logs, from groups as diverse as Danish bodybuilders, crossdressers, knife enthusiasts and Warcraft gamers. Almost every single one follows this same pattern.

 

[mgidm86]

My gawd, you guys are still talking about this Loose Change garbage? Sorry I have nothing to add, but after 50 F'n pages (x3 threads) does anyone care?

The Bulletin Board Suicide Bombers will just keep coming at you no matter how many you shoot down with your Logic Guns. They will perpetuate this thread, as it is in their best interest to do so, no matter how pathetically ignorant they may come across.

<Shakes the whole lot o' ya by the necks>

Let it die, man!!!