Loose Change - Part III

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schplurg said:
My gawd, you guys are still talking about this Loose Change garbage? Sorry I have nothing to add, but after 50 F'n pages (x3 threads) does anyone care?

The Bulletin Board Suicide Bombers will just keep coming at you no matter how many you shoot down with your Logic Guns. They will perpetuate this thread, as it is in their best interest to do so, no matter how pathetically ignorant they may come across.

<Shakes the whole lot o' ya by the necks>

Let it die, man!!!
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I participate in debunking 9/11 conspiracy theorists here and elsewhere (not just on internet bulletin boards) because they continue to successfully spread lies about a serious issue.

Why are you posting to a topic that doesn't interest you?
 
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The topic did interest me some time ago.

I guess I posted because this thread, and how long it has lasted, is like a trophy to the Loosers. They have survived on the almighty JREF board for 200 pages! They have received enough attention, in my opinion.

I hear you though, and I do appreciate your excellent work to date.
 
schplurg said:
The topic did interest me some time ago.

I guess I posted because this thread, and how long it has lasted, is like a trophy to the Loosers. They have survived on the almighty JREF board for 200 pages! They have received enough attention, in my opinion.

I hear you though, and I do appreciate your excellent work to date.
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These sort of discussions seem to function primarily as an information sharing centre for those who are combating these crazy ideas where it matters - in the real world.

(Interrupted now and then by a bit of fun when a LCer turns up...)

Different individuals have different knowledge and skills, and they can be attracted to a thread like this where they can offer their small piece of information that adds to the arsenal of those at the coal face.

The online side of this craziness is not what seems to concern most people - it is the real world side. It is families of victims being harassed, it is the public being bombarded with flyers and loud-speakers when they go to some event. It is people making money off blatant lies that the average person doesn't even know to question.

Ranting on a forum doesn't matter, but this other stuff does.

I'm glad these threads keep ticking over because I can offer my little tidbits of info to the vast plethora of knowledge wielded by people like Gravy, who are actually out in the real world where it does count.

:)

-Andrew
 
The_Fire said:
Just to be on the same page here, I scanned these puppies (readily available in my toolbox) with a metric scale next to them.
This is what we are talking about right?

ETA:I really don't want one of these in the vicinity of my face/vunerable places.....
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Well of COURSE, Fire. You're a girl! These guys at LC are MEN. REAL men. They don't care about that. They'll kick your butt if you threaten them with knives!! :rolleyes:
 
gumboot said:
But... that can't be! The plane won't ALLOW pilots to do that, right? I mean... it just can't happen!
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Plus:

The DC-10 was executing a barrel-roll at nearly 400 miles per hour—something the aircraft had never been designed to do...the three struggling men were tossed about the galley area, alternately weightless and pressed upon by three times their weight in G forces. By now, the aircraft was inverted at 19,700 feet...
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Weightless ??? Surely, they had Superman-like powers and could EASILY take him down!!
 
schplurg said:
The topic did interest me some time ago.

I guess I posted because this thread, and how long it has lasted, is like a trophy to the Loosers. They have survived on the almighty JREF board for 200 pages! They have received enough attention, in my opinion.

I hear you though, and I do appreciate your excellent work to date.
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I think they regarded it as a trophy early on (I remember Roxdog posting screen shots of the thread several times, highlighting the post count, and gleefully commenting "Skeptics forum STILL obsessed with Loose Change!") By their more recent behavior, I think they regard it as a thorn in their side. In my opinion, the more exposure they get the better...as long as people can't receive their message without also receiving ours. (See Brainster's post, "Viral Marketing 101", just before yours.)
 
Belz... said:
Well of COURSE, Fire. You're a girl! These guys at LC are MEN. REAL men. They don't care about that. They'll kick your butt if you threaten them with knives!! :rolleyes:
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In other words: The typical testoterone driven male doing a Tarzan impersonation right up to the minute when it gets serious. Then they hide behind mommys skirts complaining about "the big, bad meany".

In my, granted limited, experience, its usually not the ones screaming the loudest about "I'm the Big Bad Male of the Species" which wins a confrontation, but the silent ones which stands back and analyzes the situation a bit first. Usually because they know when they are in over their heads.

Fact is, that if you know how to wield your weapon of choice, in this case the boxcutters, anything can be deadly. Even a teaspoon. As long as it's made from metal.....ETA: the spoon that is.
 
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7999&view=findpost&p=6028464

LondonEye said:
We have tried having an open forum, with active "skeptics" participating...
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Selective memory.

LondonEye said:
It did not work...

I had a debate with the infamous "Gravy" regarding the demolititons, there was never a constructive centerview, he would only see it from his side, while we tried to discuss the science.
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The thread he's referring to:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1765&view=findpost&p=2997173

LondonEye said:
The problem is that the "official conspiracy theory" followers don't want to debate the actual issues.

They come from a platform, that the "official conspiracy theory" is 100% truth, so to me their arguments are flawed before we even get going.

The only way it can work is if the paper is blank and the issues and theories constructively refined.

If something is pointed out that is "clearly" wrong we have no problem with that, but when it is based on the "official conspiracy theory" that we dispute, then we cannot concede.

Maybe if the "skeptics" did not use 911myths or Gravy's guide as their bible, we could get somewhere.

The LC forums have no problems with debate when the goal is the truth, when it's distraction or "circular arguments" we have a problem.
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Poor characterization.

LondonEye said:
Maybe the best way forward is for the "skeptics" to start one or two threads... with...

"Debate :" as the first part of the title, I'll try and ensure it's fair as long as the "official conspiracy theory" is not cited as gospel, but science, logic and reason is...

The only winner can then be the truth...

Maybe this is a way forward, that can be supported by the LC mods and admins.

All the best

LondonEye
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Actually I'll start a new forum with "moderated" posts under the Skeptics arena.
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Intriguing idea. I'm interested to see how this goes.
 
stew, I just linked you post with the pictures and challenge to johndoex, we'll see if that draws a reaction.

shurplug, I understand your viewpoint, but sometimes a challenge is seen and accepted and cannot be backed down from; and for a few of us (I doubt that we number more than 12-15 all told) this has become very, very important. It is a battle that we may not win (for CT'ers never realize how bad they are losing and keep coming) but it is worth the fight, IMHO

And there are plenty of other threads and posters in General skepticism to keep the vast majority happy. Now go play in the bigfoot threads!! ;) :) :D
 
schplurg said:
My gawd, you guys are still talking about this Loose Change garbage? Sorry I have nothing to add, but after 50 F'n pages (x3 threads) does anyone care?

The Bulletin Board Suicide Bombers will just keep coming at you no matter how many you shoot down with your Logic Guns. They will perpetuate this thread, as it is in their best interest to do so, no matter how pathetically ignorant they may come across.

<Shakes the whole lot o' ya by the necks>

Let it die, man!!!
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You do realize that the Loosers are profiled in the current issue of Vanity Fair? There are many, many people just coming across this movie for the first time and that will only increase as there is a planned "Final Cut" which will have a theatrical release in September.
 
New subforum at LC

LC Debating Forum
This forum is for the sole purpose of debating 9/11 theories (nothing else)

NOTE: Debaters must be civil, the official theory cannot be used as gospel (only a guideline), only physical evidence, science, logic and reason can be used as arguments. All debates will be fairly moderated - Rhetoric and opinions based on emotion are not welcome.

This forum is a members only forum.
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Brainster said:
You do realize that the Loosers are profiled sympathetically in the current issue of Vanity Fair? There are many, many people just coming across this movie for the first time and that will only increase as there is a planned "Final Cut" which will have a theatrical release in September.
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Edits in bold.
 
Brainster said:
You do realize that the Loosers are profiled in the current issue of Vanity Fair? There are many, many people just coming across this movie for the first time and that will only increase as there is a planned "Final Cut" which will have a theatrical release in September.
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Do we know that it will have a theatrical release? Or is this just another of Dylan's fantasies like the UK parliament screening?
 
Brainster said:
You do realize that the Loosers are profiled in the current issue of Vanity Fair? There are many, many people just coming across this movie for the first time and that will only increase as there is a planned "Final Cut" which will have a theatrical release in September.
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Strangely enough, my screw loose change video is being on google video via "loose change" search term or "9/11 coverup".
 
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