Loose Change - Part III

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Oh dog, now we're back to "IT WAS THE JEWS (or at least the evil Zionists and the Neo-COn Zionists)...:eek: :jaw-dropp :rolleyes:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8057

The level of stupid just went up a few more notches...

You didn't know that?

Lots of people think Alex Jones is a Zionest also, and believe the movie "Loose Change" is actually a Jewish plot to steer away from the real people behind the 9/11 attacks: TEH JOOOOS. Hell, I've read some message boards about a month ago accusing Dylan Avery and the rest of the company to be all Jewish.

These idiots can't even agree with one another, and we are supposed to take them seriously.
 
Just now in this thread:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8013&st=90

John said: I didnt say "airline pilot" for over 20 years. I said i been in the business flying for over 20 years.

In this thread:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7903

John said regarding Iran Contra: I was in middle school i think when it happened. Iran Contra was made public in 1986, 20 years ago.

Maybe his memory of personal things is no better than his grasp of facts.
 
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So now johndoeX has been forced to admit he's not a working pilot, due to many pilots losing there jobs after 9/11 or he's on medical leave (because he's nuts perhaps?), depending on which of his posts you read. Someone said he claimed to be still in middle school when Iran/Contra broke, and he also claimed to be flying for 20 years w/ thousands of hours on jets. Anyone dig up the Iran/Contra post to further bust his balls?

And I love that credentials thread, absolutely hilarious! The loosers are all experts w/ high levels of education, yet they write like 9th graders and have reasoning skills far below that.

Too bad the new forum is "members only". No doubt because they realize they keep geting their ***es handed to them on a silver platter whenever they debate a skeptic. I may have to register a sock there just for lurking purposes!

eta: I see his balls have been busted on the Iran/Contra thread. Have to take the cat to the vet, be back later to see the ensuing hilarity!
 
Faknig creds

So now johndoeX has been forced to admit he's not a working pilot, due to many pilots losing there jobs after 9/11 or he's on medical leave (because he's nuts perhaps?), depending on which of his posts you read. Someone said he claimed to be still in middle school when Iran/Contra broke, and he also claimed to be flying for 20 years w/ thousands of hours on jets. Anyone dig up the Iran/Contra post to further bust his balls?

And I love that credentials thread, absolutely hilarious! The loosers are all experts w/ high levels of education, yet they write like 9th graders and have reasoning skills far below that.

Too bad the new forum is "members only". No doubt because they realize they keep geting their ***es handed to them on a silver platter whenever they debate a skeptic. I may have to register a sock there just for lurking purposes!

eta: I see his balls have been busted on the Iran/Contra thread. Have to take the cat to the vet, be back later to see the ensuing hilarity!


Well, remember that the whole key to the Internet flame world is anonymity. You can be anyone you want, claim any kind of past and credentials you like, and most of your interlocutors and opponents will not have the ability or technology to hunt you down and find the truth. I could log on at Loose Change and call myself Anna Kournikova or Wally Schirra, and only someone deeply conversant with their lives and careers could prove me wrong.

Or I could just make up a fictional identity...I used to do that when baiting Nigerian 419 spam scammers. I was "D.W. Grifter, pornographer extraordinaire," and "Ashley Farnes-Barnes, British Secret Service," and "Sheikh Ratel en Roll, special adviser to Ayatollah Rock en Rollah," and even "Boris Badunov, Pottsylvanian Secret Police." The Nigerian jerks bought it. My wife told me to cut it out.

Over at The History Channel, where switchblades are the rule, flamers would impersonate their enemies, adopting the handles of their opponents, with a period or a comma added, to fool the unwary. One extreme nutter from Canada would not take banning seriously, and he kept returning a couple of hours later, under a new version of his handle, "Confucius."

He spouted semi-literate anti-Semitic garbage and cut-and-paste copies of "Red Symphony," a Falangist postwar forgery of a "confession" by one of Stalin's purge victims, Christian Rakovsky, that somehow proved that Communism was financed by Wall Street capitalists. He was ignorant as well as illiterate, so he'd get derided for both. He lacked a sense of humor (like most fanatics) and would fire back with obscenities and demands that his opponents kill themselves.

After 54 identities, THC's lawyers hunted him down (I did a lot of reporting of him) and made him go away for good.

I had it the other way around...I was accused in that same forum of impersonating people and fomenting flame wars, and people were slamming me and my character for a year. I contacted them to say they were attacking an innocent man. They demanded proof I wasn't doing the flames. That was tough to do. I finally rattled off a series of dates and places I had been where I did not have access to a computer...like a trip I took with my wife on my birthday weekend to New Hampshire, going to baseball games at Yankee Stadium, and Sunday dinners with my in-laws.

(Let's see, I was sitting in the mezzannine at Shea Stadium with my scorecard in one hand, my soda in the other, and with my other two hands, I was sending flame e-mails with my laptop. Right. Or I celebrated my birthday by waging a flame war from the front seat of our brand-new Toyota Forerunner. That's right, I did the navigation with two hands holding a map and the flame was with the computer implanted in my skull.)

After I gave up all this stuff about my personal life to this arrogant interlocutor, he then had the nerve to ask me to help him by asking the real flamer to stop what he was doing. This guy went to the Leo Durocher School of Nerve, but I did it anyway, as a gesture of goodwill. After a year of being assailed on an hourly basis at THC, the attacks stopped. I still hate this guy's guts, even though he apologized and has behaved civilly and supportively since then.

But my point is that these folks can say they are anyone and anything they want...and how do you prove it? And how do you prove you are what you not?

The lack of accountability on the web is the best thing to happen to bullies since the invention of school lunch money.
 
Originally Posted by LondonEye at LC forum:
I had a debate with the infamous "Gravy" regarding the demolititons, there was never a constructive centerview, he would only see it from his side, while we tried to discuss the science.
I have to admit that I was a real greenhorn and in over my head in my one debate at LC. In hindsight, four days was a long time for their mods to put up with the foolishness I was spouting then. Only now, after a few months of reading up on the subject, am I beginning to grasp the depth of LondonEye's scientific knowledge.

Posted: Apr 5 2006, 03:52 PM

Hi Gravy

Those planes were guided exactly where they wanted them, They knew exactly what floors they needed to hit, this was probably aided with laser and visual guidance.

I have looked closely at the WTC1 demo (there was an excellent thread about somewhere).

If you look carefully, there is a mini demo job at the top of the tower, starts several floors below impact point and in a straight line, this is a normal bottom up demolition, this is immediately followed by a top down demolition.
 
But my point is that these folks can say they are anyone and anything they want...and how do you prove it? And how do you prove you are what you not?
I'm all for anonymity for the average internet Joe or Jane, but I think when someone claims expertise in the field being discussed, as JohnDoeX does in some of his posts, they should submit their credentials. It's unprofessional to make others play a guessing game.
 
In other words: The typical testoterone driven male doing a Tarzan impersonation right up to the minute when it gets serious. Then they hide behind mommys skirts complaining about "the big, bad meany".

Replace that last part by "but mum, they CHEATED!" and you've pretty much got it.

In my, granted limited, experience, its usually not the ones screaming the loudest about "I'm the Big Bad Male of the Species" which wins a confrontation, but the silent ones which stands back and analyzes the situation a bit first. Usually because they know when they are in over their heads.

Nah! It's ALL about who people THINK is the strongest.

Fact is, that if you know how to wield your weapon of choice, in this case the boxcutters, anything can be deadly. Even a teaspoon. As long as it's made from metal.....ETA: the spoon that is.

You can kill someone with a teacup, as Riddick showed.
 
I don't think that's him. JDX, I'm pretty sure, is American and living in New York (though apparently not in NYC).

Agreed. JDX is on the record at LC stating that Nila's "ground effect" claim (a/c with high wing-loading traveling at high speed can't fly low enough, long enough, to hit the Pentagon) is nonsense.
 
You didn't know that?

Lots of people think Alex Jones is a Zionest also, and believe the movie "Loose Change" is actually a Jewish plot to steer away from the real people behind the 9/11 attacks: TEH JOOOOS. Hell, I've read some message boards about a month ago accusing Dylan Avery and the rest of the company to be all Jewish.

These idiots can't even agree with one another, and we are supposed to take them seriously.

If the "zionists" really exist and really are out to conquer the world, they're probably never going to reach their goals. They've been at it, what, for 3000 years ?
 
I agree...

I'm all for anonymity for the average internet Joe or Jane, but I think when someone claims expertise in the field being discussed, as JohnDoeX does in some of his posts, they should submit their credentials. It's unprofessional to make others play a guessing game.


Yes, if you're Joe Schmedlap, you have a right to privacy and avoiding attacks like I suffered. But if you set yourself up as an oracle, you should provide the basis for it.

Most of these web trolls who set themselves up as gods do so with a heavy dose of condescension and contempt for their audience.
 
Any day now......

If the "zionists" really exist and really are out to conquer the world, they're probably never going to reach their goals. They've been at it, what, for 3000 years ?

That's the thing that annoys me the most. Conspiracy theorists and fanatics are always painting the situation as being the edge of disaster. Humanity stands at the brink. The final battle between good and evil is about to happen. The Zionists are just about to conquer us.

Well, if so, why the deuce haven't they done it already? They had 3,000 years and two World Wars in which to do it in, and they still haven't finished the job! What the heck, the Olympics takes two weeks, the World Series a week and a half, and they built the Brooklyn Bridge in less than 10 years. If the Zionists own the banks, the newspapers, the atomic bomb, the presidents, the Queen, and Aqueduct Racetrack, why can't they polish off a few dopey Skinheads? :boggled:
 
If the "zionists" really exist and really are out to conquer the world, they're probably never going to reach their goals. They've been at it, what, for 3000 years ?
Baby steps and patience, Belz...
 
JDX also hinted that it should be relatively easy to figure out who he is, given enough persistence. My first guess is Nila Sagadevan:

Well, I did a google search "airline pilot" +"truth movement" and the guy above and Glen Shoobyshooby Something popped up. I cut and paste two quotes from those two and asked JDX if either were him, but he said no.
 
and they built the Brooklyn Bridge in less than 10 years.
14. I take my beloved Brooklyn Bridge trivia very seriously.

p.s. Construction was delayed for over a year because not enough explosives were available to fill the insides of the towers. Construction resumed after Israel Abromowitz invented Christomitey, an inexpensive high explosive made from virgins' blood and the bones of murdered Christian babies.
 
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