Loose Change - Part III

[60hzxtl]

Just as important is to realize that some folks, (Marrs, Jones, Fetzer and newcomer DYLAN!) have found a way to make a living on selling fog, because they've put it in a nice package.

Want to hear lecture about fog? Put some adjectives in front of it, and sell that lecture. You eat well, sleep well in a nice hotel, and get feted in the nicest places where you are considered the smartest, most enlightened person in the room. It's a nice way to make a living. No heavy lifting, no dirt under your nails, and no calluses.

And, while it is hard to find the evidence that Barnum actualy said it, there's a sucker born every minute.

Don't miss the Fiji Mermaid on your way to the egress!

 

[Mancman]

Why do you feel the need to show the official story as fact? I thought that was done with the money and time spent on the official investigation. If you, as a private citizen, need to defend the government on a constant basis then maybe they are not worth defending.

It's pretty standard for CTers to label those who disagree as 'government apologists', or Bush loving far right mega republicans, or CIA, or FBI.....et cetera

It's one of their defence mechanisms. To them the US government is the great enemy and anyone who disagrees with Loose Change is therefore defending that enemy.
Of course, nobody could ever disagree with them because of the relentless stream of crap they spew all over the place, we just love the gubmint....hur huck!

 

[Abbyas]

Why do you feel the need to show the official story as fact? I thought that was done with the money and time spent on the official investigation. If you, as a private citizen, need to defend the government on a constant basis then maybe they are not worth defending.

I don't feel the need to defend the government. I feel the need to let people know the amount of twisted facts and misinformation that abounds in the truth movement.

If we believe that the government is this all powerful cabal able to silence thousands of people or even hundreds, then they are way to powerful for change. We don't have to learn about the nuances of social security reform or the problems with the Patriot Act. We don't even have to vote, because what would it help.

I voted for Nader. Defending Bush is not on my list of priorities. I'm frustrated with the truth movement as an awesome distraction from real problems.

Why get our hands dirty with issues that are hard to understand when I have a sensational documentary I can watch?

 

[SBrown]

It's pretty standard for CTers to label those who disagree as 'government apologists', or Bush loving far right mega republicans, or CIA, or FBI.....et cetera

It's one of their defence mechanisms. To them the US government is the great enemy and anyone who disagrees with Loose Change is therefore defending that enemy.
Of course, nobody could ever disagree with them because of the relentless stream of crap they spew all over the place, we just love the gubmint....hur huck!

That is a neat attack and rhetoric but that is not an answer to my question. If there is such a strong case that the official theory is based on (they did pump quite a bit of money into a firsthand investigation) and they have proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt, why the need to constantly defend it? Have we been so brainwashed with this false sense of patriotism we no longer can allow people the opportunity to question the government? When did we become a country where private citizens are responsible for turning in their subversive neighbors? When did we lose the general ideas and principles that our founding fathers built this country on? Why have we lost sight of their vision?

Make fun all you want, ridicule all you want, but at least accept the fact that this attack you feel so attune with is nothing but an attempt at private citizen oppression.

 

[Pardalis]

Why do you feel the need to show the official story as fact?

Because it is the only believable, provable, and logical theory so far. And because it's the only one that is actually based on FACTS.

Need I say more?

 

[Pardalis]

If there is such a strong case that the official theory is based on (they did pump quite a bit of money into a firsthand investigation) and they have proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt, why the need to constantly defend it?

Because nutjobs keep attacking it with rubbish theories that the ordinary people fall trap to. In professional and engereering circles, the official story is not even questionned.

Have we been so brainwashed with this false sense of patriotism we no longer can allow people the opportunity to question the government? When did we become a country where private citizens are responsible for turning in their subversive neighbors? When did we lose the general ideas and principles that our founding fathers built this country on? Why have we lost sight of their vision?

What the hell are you talking about?

Make fun all you want, ridicule all you want, but at least accept the fact that this attack you feel so attune with is nothing but an attempt at private citizen oppression.

We ridicule these false theories because they are ridiculous. And the people who believe in it or advocate them clearly show signs of magical thinking and cult-like behaviour.

 

[SBrown]

Because it is the only believable, provable, and logical theory so far. And because it's the only one that is actually based on FACTS.

Need I say more?

Only believable by you. I have a differnce of opinion. My question is that if think the official version is such a strong air tight case, then there is no need to defend people from it.

 

[SBrown]

Because nutjobs keep attacking it with rubbish theories that the ordinary people fall trap to. In professional and engereering circles, the official story is not even questionned.



What the hell are you talking about?

Make fun all you want, ridicule all you want, but at least accept the fact that this attack you feel so attune with is nothing but an attempt at private citizen oppression.[/QUOTE]

We ridicule these false theories because they are ridiculous. And the people who believe in it or advocate them clearly show signs of magical thinking and cult-like behaviour.[/QUOTE]

Please do not mis-quote me. That is against the rules.

 

[Pardalis]

Only believable by you. I have a differnce of opinion. My question is that if think the official version is such a strong air tight case, then there is no need to defend people from it.

We are not defending it. We are just showing that your theories and your so called "facts" are wrong.

 

[Pardalis]

Please do not mis-quote me. That is against the rules.

I corrected it. It was a typing mistake.

 

[Mancman]

That is a neat attack and rhetoric but that is not an answer to my question. If there is such a strong case that the official theory is based on (they did pump quite a bit of money into a firsthand investigation) and they have proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt, why the need to constantly defend it? Have we been so brainwashed with this false sense of patriotism we no longer can allow people the opportunity to question the government? When did we become a country where private citizens are responsible for turning in their subversive neighbors? When did we lose the general ideas and principles that our founding fathers built this country on? Why have we lost sight of their vision?

Make fun all you want, ridicule all you want, but at least accept the fact that this attack you feel so attune with is nothing but an attempt at private citizen oppression.

The 'official' theory needs to be constantly defended because it is constantly under attack from straw-clutching nonsense and misinformation that can and has been tailored to sucker the general public into believing a certain viewpoint.

There's nothing wrong with questioning the government, nobody here has said that. But question it with good, logical, intelligent counterpoints that actually stand up to scrutiny, not any old rubbish that can be debunked by a google search.

 

[Pardalis]

If you have any facts that support another theory, this is the right place to talk about it. We will gladly debate it. You are free to talk about your opinions, as long as you remain polite and civil. ( Lefevre)

 

[Pardalis]

And it's not because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that the Bush administration was in on it that it's true. Don't take his word for it.

 

[Pardalis]

Only believable by you.

And thousands of specialists around the world

 

[SBrown]

We are not defending it. We are just showing that your theories and your so called "facts" are wrong.

So you do not defend either side? You just point out problems with one side?

The real truth movement is pointing out the incredible amount of holes in the official theory. The holes are filled with theories. We have no budget in this endeavor, it is all by volunteer and spare time. I am not saying coming up with theories is the correct action, but it is necessary. People demand a explanation, need a explanation.

I have to leave for a while now. (I feel a need now to announce this as to not endure a lot of ridicule)

 

[Pardalis]

What holes?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Killtown showing us his open-mindedness by questioning not only the existence of airplanes (he's a no-planer) but of the pre-1940 european jewish community as well:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7618

 

[bob_kark]

So you do not defend either side? You just point out problems with one side?

The real truth movement is pointing out the incredible amount of holes in the official theory. The holes are filled with theories. We have no budget in this endeavor, it is all by volunteer and spare time. I am not saying coming up with theories is the correct action, but it is necessary. People demand a explanation, need a explanation.

I have to leave for a while now. (I feel a need now to announce this as to not endure a lot of ridicule)

Well, here we go. We have an actual chance to have a civil conversation. I implore you, in fact everyone, to give it a shot when you continue. No offence, but this continuous bickering and name calling was fun for a while, but its become quite stale.

 

[Pardalis]

Well, here we go. We have an actual chance to have a civil conversation. I implore you, in fact everyone, to give it a shot when you continue. No offence, but this continuous bickering and name calling was fun for a while, but its become quite stale.

I agree.

 

[Mancman]

Killtown showing us his open-mindedness by questioning not only the existence of airplanes (he's a no-planer) but of the pre-1940 european jewish community as well:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7618

Why is it that when someone believes in one conspiracy, they are more likely to believe in other conspiracies as well? An inherited psychological susceptibility perhaps? Or are they just bored?