Loose Change - Part III

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dubfan said:
Have you seen the PowerPoint presentation Jones used at the recent LA nutjob-a-thon, oops, I mean, conspiracy convention? I ran into it a few days ago by accident and foolishly didn't save a link, and now I can't hunt it down.

A good portion of the last half of that presentation links 9/11 to Mormon eschatology. I don't know enough about Mormonism to really criticize it, but I'd be very curious to hear what a fellow Mormon thought about it.

I suspect it's about as relevant to doctrinal LDS thought as his "scientific" investigations into 9/11 are to actual science.

If anyone has a link to that PPT file, I'd appreciate it.
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Well, you can stir the pot over there.

n.b. (with apologies to the Mormons on this board.)

Point out that: September 11, 1857: John D. Lee, Mormon, (and NOT acting on behalf of the Mormons, any more than Jones is acting on behalf of the Mormons.) enraged over President Buchanan's order to remove Brigham Young as governor of the Utah Territory, led a band of Mormons (not acting on behalf of the Mormons) in a massacre of a California-bound wagon train of 135 (mostly Methodists) in Mountain Meadows, Utah.
 
Year Zero said:
I think it's a little simple minded to call Loosers "terrorist supporters" because they don't even believe in the existence of these terrorists. In the mind of a CT, Arabs and other Muslims are more than happy to be the world's punching bag without ever fighting back; much like the Amish.
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Perhaps, but their ACTIONS support the terrorists.
 
Belz... said:
Perhaps, but their ACTIONS support the terrorists.
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Can you explain this in detail? I have yet to hear a single historical case of how idiotic conspiracy theories have given strategic aid to an insurgency somewhere.
 
Year Zero said:
Can you explain this in detail? I have yet to hear a single historical case of how idiotic conspiracy theories have given strategic aid to an insurgency somewhere.
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Didn't say it was a big help or even a noticeable one, but they ARE trying to take the blame AWAY from the terrorists.
 
Belz... said:
Didn't say it was a big help or even a noticeable one, but they ARE trying to take the blame AWAY from the terrorists.
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But what they are really doing is taking blame away from the actions that cause reactionary terrorism, which is far more destructive to America. They already neutralized Mike Malloy with their Idiocy Ray. Good thing Chomsky isn't fooled by their BS.
 
Update. And go to the blog if you want to see Avery & Bermas with the real chucksheen. Ugh. http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

As for the Google Video situation, it appears some have been taken offline, and some haven't. Your best bet is to just search for it until we get our own version up (which is going to have some mistakes fixed).

If you live on the West Coast, pick up the new issue of Vanity Fair. Screenshots later today hopefully...

posted by dylan avery at 6:52 AM
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"Going to have some mistakes fixed?" Will it be a 1-minute video?
 
Gravy said:
Here are links to LA video presentations, but I don't know about the ppt file itself.
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7366
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Thanks Gravy.

Found it on the S911T website, here

The parts relating to Mormon scripture & doctrine are on pp. 157-164 (of a 190-page PPT file. Yes, his PPT presentation is one hundred ninety pages long).

Sword_of_Truth: any thoughts on Jones' interpretation? To my untrained eye, it looks like he's using the same tools of the trade he uses as a CT: cherry-picking bits of scripture to confirm the conclusions he's already arrived at.
 
Does anyone have a contact email address for Prof. Jones. I am sure I am not the first, but I just wanted to inform him that Thermite does not burn horizontally and is not used in controlled demolitions. That might be something one would want to research first before making an ass out of one's self.
 
Year Zero said:
Does anyone have a contact email address for Prof. Jones. I am sure I am not the first, but I just wanted to inform him that Thermite does not burn horizontally and is not used in controlled demolitions. That might be something one would want to research first before making an ass out of one's self.
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[email protected]

Good luck getting a reply.
 
apathoid said:
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Very true, and real pilots have no problem with Hani Hanjours ability to steer a 757 into an 80 ft tall X 1000 ft wide building. Only the posers seem to have a problem with this(Nila Sagadevan most notably) for some reason.
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As a pilot, (though not commercial or ATP), I think I know why. PC flight sims are a lot harder to fly than a real airplane. In a real airplane, you have many more cues than in a flight sim. You can turn your head, you feel accelerations in all three axes... It's just easier.
 
Thanks, here is my open letter to him:

Hello Dr. Jones,

I have read your claims about Thermite being used in the WTC. They have raised some questions, as I became familiar with thermite and its effects in the army. Here is my list of questions.

1. Do you know what Thermite is?

2. Do you know what it does?

3. Were you aware that Thermite is not used in building demolitions?

4. Were you aware that you cannot use Thermite for "controlled" demolition because it cannot be timed and controlled like linear charges?

5. Have you taken the time to suggest your Thermite theory to a qualified expert in demolitions?

6. If yes, what was his/her response?

Thank you.

JPS
 
Mancman said:
I think that is worthy of a caption competition.
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How about:
1) "I'm coming down faster than free-fall, dudes! Need a pick-up!"
2) "Heeyyy babe... My good buddies here are like, the Twin Towers, and I'm, like WTC7. So - PULL ME!! Hnrkkk hnrkkkk... ! Know what I mean babe...? Hey, where ya goin', babe...?"
 
TjW said:
As a pilot, (though not commercial or ATP), I think I know why. PC flight sims are a lot harder to fly than a real airplane. In a real airplane, you have many more cues than in a flight sim. You can turn your head, you feel accelerations in all three axes... It's just easier.
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I suspect your're right. I had the priveledge of flying a 767 full motion simulator and I was quite suprised at how easy takeoff and especially landing was(okay I cheated by using autothrottle on approach!). I think most GA pilots and airline mechanics could've easily pulled off any one of the attack runs.
 
sophia8 said:
How about:
1) "I'm coming down faster than free-fall, dudes! Need a pick-up!"
2) "Heeyyy babe... My good buddies here are like, the Twin Towers, and I'm, like WTC7. So - PULL ME!! Hnrkkk hnrkkkk... ! Know what I mean babe...? Hey, where ya goin', babe...?"
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Pick up lines to use at the 9-11 conspiracy conventions:

"Hey babe, want to check out my Northwoods?

"Girl I am going to pull a new Pearl Harbor on you tonight"

"I've got a missile, or a truckbomb, or an unmanned drone, or an A3 skywarrior for your Pentagon."

"Girl you're hotter than THERMITE! I'm FREE-FALLING for you"

Remember that with conspiracy chicks, you can get them drunk, sneak out in the morning, and they'll just believe that they were drugged by the government agents because they were "getting too close to the truth".
 
Can a jet fuel / hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure?

Check out this rigorously scientific experiment proving it can't:

tinyurl.com/no9sl

:cool:

Note: It's a LOT easier to get banned over there than at the Loosers' forum...
 
Jones' retarded reply:





Jasa,

The answers to nearly all your questions are contained in my peer-reviewed and
published paper, available here:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

In particular, I discuss the use of superthermite which uses nanoaluminum and is
EXPLOSIVE so that it CAN be controlled and timed with precision. Yes, I have
discussed the matter with two qualified experts. One had not even heard of
thermite and would not comment. The other knew a great deal about thermite and
said that it would indeed work for demolition.

Please read my paper before asking such questions, that is the reasonable thing
to do.

And note that while RDX, HMX, etc. have taggants, thermite does not.

Steven Jones
 
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