Loose Change - Part III

[Gravy]

Speaking of God and the Good Professor; I sent Jones an e-mail today apealing to him as a fellow mormon to issue a rebuttal to James Fetzers "all structural engineers are going to hell" remarks.

Very well done, Sword. I have always wondered how Jones reconciles his professed Christianity with his deliberate deception in presenting evidence about 9/11.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Ooo, this is a good one. If he agrees with Feltzer, he's basically saying Miller and Firmage aren't good Mormons, which I imagine won't sit well with them or BYU. If he says they -- and by extension, all other structural engineers -- are incompetent, then how does he explain why poorly-designed buildings aren't collapsing left and right all over the place? And if he says they're correct, his theory goes out the window.

So yeah, I'm guessing he won't respond and hopes you go away. Personally, I think the man's becoming dangerously meglomaniacal.

I didn't tell him he had to retract his theory or risk expulsion from the church. I just asked him to stand up for his fellow mormons.

All he has to do is issue a statement to the effect of; "While Dr Miller, Prof Firmage and I disagree on matters of science, I still regard them as good, honest men who aren't going to hell".

Jones talks up his mormonism, let's see if he walks as well.

I think you're right though, he won't respond. But silence can speak volumes too.

 

[Stellafane]

...oh, and tell jenabell, meow

I just read this thread, and I have to admit defeat -- I have no clue what is up with this jenabell person. What is his point? Does he even have one? He seems to follow the same sad shtick he did here: post some incomprehensible drivel, then completely derail his own thread by complaining when people don't understand what (if anything) he's trying to say.

I suppose I should take jenabell at his word, when I asked him why he posted here: "Because I can." I suppose that's why he posts in LC, why indeed he's a CT follower: because he can. No point, no plan, nothing to contribute, no wit nor wisdom -- no nothing, actually. Just excercising the ability to do it. The internet forum equivalent of jerking off.

 

[Johnny C.]

Hey, did you guys all get banned today?

I got a suspension yesterday where I couldnt post, but now I am IP banned and cant even view any threads. I didnt get a warning or anything. I wasnt even that bad, besides calling everyone there stupid and ignorant. Thats not my fault though; I have a knee-jerk reaction where I call it as I see it.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

These guys are EXPERTS at making bold statements without actually saying anything of substance that they would have to defend or back up with evidence. Comes with practice, evidently.

Actually, I kind of latched onto SOT's post for this very reason. He quoted something a Looser said and (again IMHO) interpreted it in a way that (to use your wording) lacked substance and that he couldn't defend well or back up with evidence.

I'm not trying to pick on SOT here, but the current "forum feud" is starting to get a bit out of hand, I think. The ninja crew here, and the LC'ers, are sniping at each other at tossing one liners back and forth. I don't think it's productive, but that's just me.

Neither side is making any progress by throwing around ad homs and trying to be mind readers. I like it better when folks stick to the evidence and leave out the other bull.

I understand the frustration, but maybe it's time to step back and take a breather.

But that's just me. OK, I'm off the soapbox.

 

[Johnny C.]

The ninja crew here, and the LC'ers, are sniping at each other at tossing one liners back and forth. I don't think it's productive, but that's just me.

Yea, i agree. I have been doing that repeatedly to John. It just gets frustrating when I tear him a new ***hole and he replies with a "yawn...." or some emoticon.

Ill be taking a break for a bit, maybe natural selection will kick in and they will all be hit by bus or something by the time I get back.

 

[Brainster]

Hey, did you guys all get banned today?

I got a suspension yesterday where I couldnt post, but now I am IP banned and cant even view any threads. I didnt get a warning or anything. I wasnt even that bad, besides calling everyone there stupid and ignorant. Thats not my fault though; I have a knee-jerk reaction where I call it as I see it.

It's probably not an IP ban, although I thought they had banned me that way as well. What I had to do was delete all my cookies from that site (IIRC they were under "invision", then reboot the computer. For some reason if I just shut down Firefox (my browser) and then restarted it, I still couldn't get on, so there must be some temporary file that rebooting takes care of.

Hope this helps!

 

[Hutch]

Well, my suspension is due to be up come Sunday, we'll see if I can get back in. Have a few words I'd like to add to the discussion...

Gravy, hope you invited samuelaspade to join our little fraternity now that he/she? has been banned. I would have sworn reading the posts that it was somebody from here..somebody I knew...

BTW, a thread I helped spark to life in the Under the Bridge section there is one of the longest and most popular running--and it isn't even about 9-11!!! It deals with the Moon Hoax and several colleagues from the Bad Astronomy Universe Today (BAUT) Forum are putting a major-league whuppin' on various Moon Hoax CT'ers. Long but fun when you get tired of the 9-11 BS. And the lengths some will go to hold at CT...

 

[Gravy]

Gravy, hope you invited samuelaspade to join our little fraternity now that he/she? has been banned. I would have sworn reading the posts that it was somebody from here..somebody I knew...

I did. Sent him a patch! He reminded me of someone who hasn't posted here in a while, but according to his email, he's not.

 

[Johnny C.]

It's probably not an IP ban, although I thought they had banned me that way as well. What I had to do was delete all my cookies from that site (IIRC they were under "invision", then reboot the computer. For some reason if I just shut down Firefox (my browser) and then restarted it, I still couldn't get on, so there must be some temporary file that rebooting takes care of.

Hope this helps!

Thanks Ill try it out now

 

[Brainster]

Bwah! That didn't take long. But check this out. I've learned that when I see something of special interest on LC, to make a copy of it, because it may not be there for long. I just compared my copy of that "supporting terrorists" page to what's there now, and the mods certainly modified it.

When I find something really outrageous I generally screen capture it so whoever did it can't deny it later (make sure that the URL is included in the screen cap). I once caught a guy saying something he shouldn't have, who quickly changed his post, and then had the nerve to claim that I was making up stories about him. Boom, up goes the screen cap, and (some people never learn) ten minutes later he changes his post again! Of course, I've got the screen cap for the intermediate version of the page, so now I've got him for the initial offense and the coverup!

BTW, I have a screen cap of Gypsy's flag post on the LC forum if anybody wants it (just text not the photos, although they were still up last evening). Unfortunately I didn't think to capture some of the posts from those objecting to that piece of "performance art".

 

[Stellafane]

Actually, I kind of latched onto SOT's post for this very reason. He quoted something a Looser said and (again IMHO) interpreted it in a way that (to use your wording) lacked substance and that he couldn't defend well or back up with evidence...

For what little it's worth, I actually think SOT had a point. Saying that Bush will soon be in hell could well be interpreted by some as a threat on the president's life. I certainly wouldn't be too surprised if such verbiage might draw a bit of scrutiny from the Secret Service, especially if it came from someone whom they thought capable of carrying out such a threat. To compare SOT's reasoning with that of the LC'ers is just flat out unfair.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

For what little it's worth, I actually think SOT had a point. Saying that Bush will soon be in hell could well be interpreted by some as a threat on the president's life. I certainly wouldn't be too surprised if such verbiage might draw a bit of scrutiny from the Secret Service, especially if it came from someone whom they thought capable of carrying out such a threat. To compare SOT's reasoning with that of the LC'ers is just flat out unfair.

Well, I checked the dictionary, and I guess I was using this definition: An expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage.

I didn't see anything that expressed an intention of doing anything, much less and "evil, injury, or damage".

Additionally, I looked at it from this point of view: If I went to the Air Force OSI, I felt they would point out the same things regarding that statement, and I wouldn't want to embarass myself. I also looked at it from my law enforcement experience: If I went to a domestic fight, and the wife told me that her husband had told her "You'll soon be in hell" or "I'll see you in hell" or somesuch, would I have cause for an arrest? I just can't see it, sorry.

You are right. It could be intrepreted by some as a threat. I'm just not one of those people.

And I didn't want to make this about SOT and his one post. It was more about people letting their emotions get the better of them regarding what the LC'ers are saying. However, I do realize I criticized his post. If he thinks I was unfair, I'm sure he'll say so.

Bottom line is, I would hate to see the "ninja wave" become what they abhor.

 

[hellaeon]

Bwah! That didn't take long. But check this out. I've learned that when I see something of special interest on LC, to make a copy of it, because it may not be there for long. I just compared my copy of that "supporting terrorists" page to what's there now, and the mods certainly modified it.

sad sad sad...
They certainly practice what they preach....

 

[Johnny C.]

I think what changes the meaning is that he said "soon". George Bush is only 60, and appears to be healthy from all the photos I see of him exercising, cutting down brush, or whatever tasks he does for fun.

I dont think he meant any harm except that Bush is evil, satanic, or possibly not a Christian like he pretends to be.

On a final note, I've heard of the FBI invesitgating more benign claims.

 

[Gravy]

I certainly don't see a threat there. I see a guy who doesn't understand what a "police state" is.

 

[WildCat]

I certainly don't see a threat there. I see a guy who doesn't understand what a "police state" is.

Those guys don't think Kim Jong Il is a dictator either. Go figure...

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Those guys don't think Kim Jong Il is a dictator either. Go figure...

He's not such a bad guy. He's just ronery.

 

[Brainster]

Those guys don't think Kim Jong Il is a dictator either. Go figure...

Kim? The greatest golfer in the history of the world?

 

[apathoid]

As I said to little Johnny when he challenged me to quiz him; "I'm not interested in testing your ability to google aviation terminology."

I've read some of his posts outside the skeptics area. He has actually written some reasonably intelligent ones. Mostly when the talk is purely about flying.

Of course, johndoeX is a pilot, really he is! Just because he writes like a 5th grader and posts on LC 24/7, well maybe he has a computer in the cockpit

I've been lurking here for awhile now with no real intent to post because you guys are doing such a great job! However, I think I can help out here.

After reading some of what johndoe has written over at LC, I'm positive he's nothing more than a flightsim geek and a poseur. Every now and then in the airliners.net forums, a new user will proclaim to be a 777 Line Captain for UA( or similar) and will generally be quite polished in his first postings, speaking the language and talking about company policies, technical details, procedures, etc..with great accuracy(usually).
But one thing thing all these poseurs do is hide their real names, as they know all airman are searchable in the FAA database.
When people(who actually work in the industry) start inquiring about things that cannot be searched on Google or simulated in FS, they start breaking down. Badly.

I think I could probably work a short questionnaire to "quiz" our friend johndoe to see if he's the genuine article. Since I dont feel like searching all 1,200 of his idiotic posts to get an idea of who exactly he claims to work for/what equipment he "flies", can anyone give me an idea of his claims in this regard?