Loose Change - Part III

[Mr. Skinny]

His exact words were "Bush and Co. will join there buddies there shortly!"

With an exclamation point no less. He didn't say "hope" or "wish" or "think". He's using very definate terms in speaking of POTUS's impending trip to the underworld.

I would like to know why he is so certain? I'm sure a pair of USSS agents showing up on his parents doorstep (he's probably 14-16) would scare the answer to that question out of him quite quickly.

We live in a society where kids get arrested for having plastic picnic knives in thier lunchboxes or for drawing maps of thier schools. But here's one who says "The President is going to go to hell soon" and you think that isn't actionable?

No, sorry, but I don't think that's actionable. First of all, he doesn't say that he (or anyone he knows) is going to do anything. Second, for all you know, his way of getting Bush in hell is to buy a voodoo doll of Bush and rip it's head off.

No big deal, SOT. I just wanted to offer my opinion in the hope that you would rethink yours. You did, and you apparently stand by what you said. Fair enough.

Cheers.

 

[panamajoe]

Someone find me a connection between:
George W. Bush
Italian Greyhounds
Jim Lovell
Ray Romano
The Flash
Metallica
and the Corliolus Effect.

And....GO!

OMG! I did a copy/paste in to Google to see what connects these and ONLY "George W. Bush" would paste!!!!?!?!?!!! A conspiracy that includes the Google folks!
What will we do?

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Someone got tell the Loosers that the web was invented by the US military. Hopefully they'll fall for it and shun the technology, leaving us sane people and the dead alone

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No, sorry, but I don't think that's actionable. First of all, he doesn't say that he (or anyone he knows) is going to do anything. Second, for all you know, his way of getting Bush in hell is to buy a voodoo doll of Bush and rip it's head off.

No big deal, SOT. I just wanted to offer my opinion in the hope that you would rethink yours. You did, and you apparently stand by what you said. Fair enough.

Cheers.

In all fairness, I don't think there is an actual threat to the presidents life. Like I said, he's probably 16 at the most. He's just some punk ass trying to sound big and bad.

I just wanna see those USSS agents show up at NesNYCs parents doorstep and scare the living crap out of him.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Someone got tell the Loosers that the web was invented by the US military. Hopefully they'll fall for it and shun the technology, leaving us sane people and the dead alone

Well, it was ARPA (DARPA) and some big name universities that started it all, IIRC.

Well, them and Al Gore.

 

[EvilBiker]

I suggested on a thread that Shermer could use that forum pretty much exclusively as the basis for sequel.

Found it! Damn, we should have tag-teamed them.

Liked your swan song.

 

[DavidJames]

Found it! Damn, we should have tag-teamed them.

Liked your swan song.

I'm sure people a lot smarter then me ,(dub, gravy to name but two), have hit them much harder and could have left with a much better sign off, but were banned before given the chance.

edit - Things have quieted down in their skeptics forum, I'll have to wake my cats up for entertainment
Also - I can't believe jenabell - he can't get anything right. He quotes sentences and then responds to either completely unrelated stuff or totally screws up the point in the quote.

 

[Brainster]

Quick question for you people:

I heard that William Rodriguez was contacted by the NIST to testify but that he demanded thousands of dollars to do so and kept dodging them by changing his addess.

Is there any truth to that claim? He stops by the WTC on Saturdays once in a while and I'd love to ask him about it.

I did some poking around the NIST website and couldn't find any reports that mention him either way.

 

[Gravy]

The guy who sent me that email yesterday has been on the LC forum as "samuelaspade." He is tearing them up. I emailed him and said it can't last long at this rate, but to enjoy the ride!

Very well said, stipmunk.

This constant cry of "We're just asking questions" is total b.s. The answers to those questions are usually right in front of their faces. They just cannot accept it.

I wonder how this works in daily life. CT's, what do you do at the supermarket?

CT: I don't see a price on this. Someone must be conspiring to keep the prices from me! I DEMAND TO SEE A PRICE ON THIS! I'M ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PRICE AND DEMANDING ANSWERS!

Stock boy: Sir, the price is there on the shelf below the product. Here's the product name, see, and the price of $2.99, and next to that is the unit price per – sir, it's over here. Sir, the price for this product is not in that aisle over there. Sir?

CT: THAT PRICE WAS OBVIOUSLY PLANTED THERE! I DO NOT ACCEPT THAT PRICE! I DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE PLANTING OF THE PRICE AND THE OBVIOUS COVERUP! AND WHEN THE CRAP HITS THE FAN IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR ASS IN THE CHINESE-MADE GUILLOTINE, STOCK BOY, FOR SUPPORTING THIS MASSIVE PRICE-UNFIXING CONSPIRACY!

Stock boy: Sir, I'm pretty sure they used guillotines to –

CT: I DEMAND ANSWERS!

So, CTs, is that how it goes at the supermarket? And if not, why? Because that's exactly how you're acting here. Why do different standards of logic and evidence apply here than in the rest of your world?

Finally:would YOU want to be judged by your own standards? Would your standard of evidence be acceptable to you if you were on trial? Suppose the prosecution were allowed to act like you?
Think about it.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7573&view=findpost&p=5875072

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

These guys have gone two exits past delusional, and have taken the off ramp to hard-core psychotic. "God is watching you" intertwined with "I'll be watching you." Perhaps in Dr. Jones' mind, the two phrases mean the same?

Speaking of God and the Good Professor; I sent Jones an e-mail today apealing to him as a fellow mormon to issue a rebuttal to James Fetzers "all structural engineers are going to hell" remarks.

To be a paid employee of Brigham Young University or any church owned institution, one must be a member of the church in good standing. This includes not only Jones but also Dr. A. Woodruff Miller, chair of BYUs Civil Engineering department and Professor D. Allan Firmage, also a structural engineering professor at BYU. Both of whom have publicly critiscized Jones conclusions. That fact that Dr. Miller and Prof. Firmage are both in good standing with BYU proves they are in good standing with the church as well.

I asked Jones to take a stand and defend his fellow members of the church slandered by Fetzers proclamation regarding thier eternal salvation. This excersize will likely prove nothing. But given Jones's habit of quoting mormon scripture and comparing himself to its heroes, putting Fetzer and his proclaimed loyalty to the church in direct conflict should tell us alot about his character.

 

[Stellafane]

Speaking of God and the Good Professor; I sent Jones an e-mail today apealing to him as a fellow mormon to issue a rebuttal to James Fetzers "all structural engineers are going to hell" remarks.

To be a paid employee of Brigham Young University or any church owned institution, one must be a member of the church in good standing. This includes not only Jones but also Dr. A. Woodruff Miller, chair of BYUs Civil Engineering department and Professor D. Allan Firmage, also a structural engineering professor at BYU. Both of whom have publicly critiscized Jones conclusions. That fact that Dr. Miller and Prof. Firmage are both in good standing with BYU proves they are in good standing with the church as well.

I asked Jones to take a stand and defend his fellow members of the church slandered by Fetzers proclamation regarding thier eternal salvation. This excersize will likely prove nothing. But given Jones's habit of quoting mormon scripture and comparing himself to its heroes, putting Fetzer and his proclaimed loyalty to the church in direct conflict should tell us alot about his character.

Ooo, this is a good one. If he agrees with Feltzer, he's basically saying Miller and Firmage aren't good Mormons, which I imagine won't sit well with them or BYU. If he says they -- and by extension, all other structural engineers -- are incompetent, then how does he explain why poorly-designed buildings aren't collapsing left and right all over the place? And if he says they're correct, his theory goes out the window.

So yeah, I'm guessing he won't respond and hopes you go away. Personally, I think the man's becoming dangerously meglomaniacal.

 

[DavidJames]

The guy who sent me that email yesterday has been on the LC forum as "samuelaspade." He is tearing them up. I emailed him and said it can't last long at this rate, but to enjoy the ride!


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7573&view=findpost&p=5875072

I recognize I've not the time (or possibly the smarts) to defend, thrust and parry the NIST and 9/11 reports with the loosers, I opted to try an easier lesson plan and show their "research" falls far short of adequate and not only leads to incorrect conclusions but makes them look quite foolish.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7553&st=60
The "school bell" rang at: Jul 6 2006, 01:16 PM EDT

The lesson turned out much better then expected and made them look far worse then I had ever hoped. Not surprisingly, neither johndoeX nor jenabell acknowledged their failures and as seen by the 2nd wave as employed by samuelaspade, haven't learned a thing. "weeble" johndoeX was knocked down, but has bounced right back up for another beating.

Go get 'em samuelaspade

edit - oh, and tell jenabell, meow

 

[aggle-rithm]

No, sorry, but I don't think that's actionable. First of all, he doesn't say that he (or anyone he knows) is going to do anything. Second, for all you know, his way of getting Bush in hell is to buy a voodoo doll of Bush and rip it's head off.

No big deal, SOT. I just wanted to offer my opinion in the hope that you would rethink yours. You did, and you apparently stand by what you said. Fair enough.

Cheers.

These guys are EXPERTS at making bold statements without actually saying anything of substance that they would have to defend or back up with evidence. Comes with practice, evidently.

 

[Class]

Just checked LC and samuelaspade has been banned.

 

[DavidJames]

Just checked LC and samuelaspade has been banned.

I'm guessing because he asked johndoeX why he supported terrorists.

john got really upset and announced:

anyone who even suggests that we have any support for terrorists will be banned immediately and posts deleted and saved.

Of course John isn't a mod.

John doesn't understand that words have meanings and you can't just say whatever crap rolls on to your tongue. That forum has no problems accusing American leaders of killing their own citizens (and other countries citizens), but seem to get their panties in a bunch and start crying when someone "offends" them.

Any parents of 6 year olds out there recognize this behavior?

 

[WildCat]

Of course, johndoeX is a pilot, really he is! Just because he writes like a 5th grader and posts on LC 24/7, well maybe he has a computer in the cockpit.

 

[DavidJames]

Of course, johndoeX is a pilot, really he is! Just because he writes like a 5th grader and posts on LC 24/7, well maybe he has a computer in the cockpit.

I've read some of his posts outside the skeptics area. He has actually written some reasonably intelligent ones. Mostly when the talk is purely about flying.

It's a little (no, a lot) scary to think he may really be sitting in the pilots seat on a plane I'm flying in.

My family and I are flying in to LaGuardia later this month. I would feel much better if he admitted he wasn't really a pilot who flew anywhere near where I was.

 

[Gravy]

Just checked LC and samuelaspade has been banned.

Bwah! That didn't take long. But check this out. I've learned that when I see something of special interest on LC, to make a copy of it, because it may not be there for long. I just compared my copy of that "supporting terrorists" page to what's there now, and the mods certainly modified it.

In the exchange between johndoeX and samuelaspade, guess who made a threat? But guess who got banned?

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Jul 6 2006, 10:25 PM)
Supporting a terrorist? Dont do that again... i will not take it lightly. That is slander.. and i will find you.

QUOTE (samuelaspade)
If you don't like it, then don't support terrorists.

QUOTE (johndoeX)
you think we support terroists here?

QUOTE (samuelaspade)
Of course you do. People like you give the terrorists wonderful moral support. They must LOVE "Loose Change," the movie that takes bin Laden's WORD for it that he wasn't involved, and with NO evidence, attempts to deflect blame on the US government! And thousands of fools buy into it!

Ha! that's a terrorist's wet dream!

Remember the embassy bombings? Remember the Cole? Remember the WTC in 1993, when they attempted to kill tens of thousands of Americans? Remember 9/11? How many times will we have to be attacked before you admit there's problem, johndoeX? How many people do they have to kill to get your attention?

These people SWORE to kill Americans and have done it time and again. They SWEAR to continue.

But you don't think that's a problem. You'd rather there be an investigation in to your paranoid delusions. You think we should still be looking for explosives at the WTC. You think there were no hijackers.

That's supporting terrorism.

 

[DavidJames]

Bwah! That didn't take long. But check this out. I've learned that when I see something of special interest on LC, to make a copy of it, because it may not be there for long. I just compared my copy of that "supporting terrorists" page to what's there now, and the mods certainly modified it.

In the exchange between johndoeX and samuelaspade, guess who made a threat? But guess who got banned?

It's like Back to the Future and Michael J. Fox (samuelspade) is watching himself disappear from the photgraph

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I've read some of his posts outside the skeptics area. He has actually written some reasonably intelligent ones. Mostly when the talk is purely about flying.

It's a little (no, a lot) scary to think he may really be sitting in the pilots seat on a plane I'm flying in.

My family and I are flying in to LaGuardia later this month. I would feel much better if he admitted he wasn't really a pilot who flew anywhere near where I was.

As I said to little Johnny when he challenged me to quiz him; "I'm not interested in testing your ability to google aviation terminology."