Loose Change - Part III

[gumboot]

Incidentally...

Going off on a tangent...

It has oft been repeated that the Pentagon was hit on the opposite side to the Sec. of Defence's office. Yet in an account of Rumsfeld's actions on 9/11 (it may have been the 9/11 commission report) I remember reading something that suggested his office was much closer to the impact area.

Does anyone actually KNOW where the Sec. of Defence's office is within the Pentagon? (That is, in a public, non-classified kind of way... I know all you Gubmit Shills know where it is... )

-Andrew

 

[Brainster]

Just when i thought i'd seen everything troother-related, this article from that WingTV list blew my mind:

Oh, gosh, another one of the "Sacred Lists"! This time it's the 9-11 Victim's Compensation Fund. How many of these have we seen?

1. Passenger Manifests (not including hijackers)
2. Autopsies (ditto)
3. Social Security Death Index
4. NTSB Accident Reports not filled out for 9-11 hijackings
5. The List of Tail Numbers (not having the two United planes retired until 2005)
6. The List of Tail Numbers (that the guy in Chicago kept of all the planes he flew on).
7. 9-11 Victim's Compensation Fund

Any more?

Items mysteriously missing from Sacred Lists are always a great source of interest to the CT crowd.

 

[MarkyX]

Here is a small trailer. Again, I need more help with various images and clips to make this work right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhSd8jh19jk

EDIT: New stuff involving Jim Fetzer putting all structual engineers to hell.

 

[tacodaemon]

I also see from WingTV that Operation Northwoods is becoming firmly ensconced in JFK assassination crackpottery too. Yeah, the eeeevil gubmit had him whacked because he didn't approve the Northwoods plan.

 

[Gravy]

Here is a small trailer. Again, I need more help with various images and clips to make this work right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhSd8jh19jk

EDIT: New stuff involving Jim Fetzer putting all structual engineers to hell.

I think it's a brilliant idea. (Btw, the clip you linked to is Avery with Jack Blood, not Fetzer.)

Obviously, it's a work in progress, but I'll put my two cents in.
The visual in this clip is very distracting. It's asking a lot for people to try to comprehend the video and the audio. It's powerful audio, and just playing it over the LC title "Dedicated to the lives we lost..." might be effective. Also, while the video is terrifying, it doesn't otherwise relate to the audio. Perhaps some stills of the passengers who called in reporting the hijackers with knives and bombs, having stabbed people (with their quotes as subtitles) would be an effective counterpart to Avery's "laugh in their face" quote. At times, emphasizing the audio quotes with the transcription as titles (as they do in LC), makes comprehension easier.

In order for somthing like this to be powerful, it needs to be comprehensible. My preference when viewing things like this is to that they be quite slow, and that each element stand on its own, so that it can sink in. It's also important to identify the speakers. I like plenty of time to read or watch and plenty of time to listen, and I don't like it when those elements are mixed too much. But that's just me.

 

[kookbreaker]

I found another example for those who say fire cannot damage or weaken steel:

The Philadelphia I-95 tire fire.

Relevant pages, 12+.

Steel rebar was weakened even through concrete. I-beams buckled. That part of I-95 was closed for months.

 

[MarkyX]

I think it's a brilliant idea. (Btw, the clip you linked to is Avery with Jack Blood, not Fetzer.)

Obviously, it's a work in progress, but I'll put my two cents in.
The visual in this clip is very distracting. It's asking a lot for people to try to comprehend the video and the audio. It's powerful audio, and just playing it over the LC title "Dedicated to the lives we lost..." might be effective. Also, while the video is terrifying, it doesn't otherwise relate to the audio. Perhaps some stills of the passengers who called in reporting the hijackers with knives and bombs, having stabbed people (with their quotes as subtitles) would be an effective counterpart to Avery's "laugh in their face" quote. At times, emphasizing the audio quotes with the transcription as titles (as they do in LC), makes comprehension easier.

In order for somthing like this to be powerful, it needs to be comprehensible. My preference when viewing things like this is to that they be quite slow, and that each element stand on its own, so that it can sink in. It's also important to identify the speakers. I like plenty of time to read or watch and plenty of time to listen, and I don't like it when those elements are mixed too much. But that's just me.

Got any images of knife slash victims and the victims of 9/11? Or quotes?

I am very squimish so..nothing nasty.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I've been butting heads with the chicken coop arsonist on his blog. ( http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/07/911-foreknowledge.html ) He's appearantly stuck on the delusion that Judy "Scholars for Tooth" Wood is an actual structural engineer.

I've been searching for any indication of her degrees and qualifications on the web, but haven't been able to find any. I'm guessing Mr. Chicken Coop can't find any either of he'd post them in big block captitals and laugh his ass off at me.

Has anyone found anything on the billiard ball lady and what actual degrees she has?

EDIT: Oh bloody hell...

For god's sake, this is idiotic that I have to point this out. Dr. Wood is a trained structural engineer who works on the structure and strength of teeth. Basically, she does structural bio-engineering. What is so hard to understand about how her work relates to building structure and strength?... Like it or not, Dr. Wood is a structural engineer. She works in a Mechanical Engineering Dept, because that is often where structural engineers work.

Somebody fell out of the stupid tree (where the Keebler elves live?) and nailed every branch on the way down.

 

[Gravy]

Does anyone actually KNOW where the Sec. of Defence's office is within the Pentagon? (That is, in a public, non-classified kind of way... I know all you Gubmit Shills know where it is... )

-Andrew

Yes, opposite side, 3rd floor, E-ring. Diagram here:
http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/editart/pentagonimpact.jpg

 

[MarkyX]

Ah this is going to be harder then I thought.

I need to make images to somewhat entertain the listen while somewhat related to the subject.

 

[Gravy]

Got any images of knife slash victims and the victims of 9/11? Or quotes?

I am very squimish so..nothing nasty.

There are pictures of passengers who made the calls, and several quotes from them and other passengers, in the phone calls section near the end of LC. Hey, you know that!

I'd stay away from actual slashing photos.

 

[Gravy]

I've been butting heads with the chicken coop arsonist on his blog. ( http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/07/911-foreknowledge.html ) He's appearantly stuck on the delusion that Judy "Scholars for Tooth" Wood is an actual structural engineer.

I've been searching for any indication of her degrees and qualifications on the web, but haven't been able to find any. I'm guessing Mr. Chicken Coop can't find any either of he'd post them in big block captitals and laugh his ass off at me.

Has anyone found anything on the billiard ball lady and what actual degrees she has?

EDIT: Oh bloody hell...
Somebody fell out of the stupid tree (where the Keebler elves live?) and nailed every branch on the way down.

Her degree is in mechanical engineering. She is absolutely not a structural engineer, as anyone who sees this can tell:

Here's a page that lists her areas of research.
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/~woodj/

Note that she lists her sponsors as the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR).

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yeah, I know about the clemson.edu link.

I showed it to them and that's where the chicken coop arsonist came up with the "structural bio-engineering" (WTF?!) garbage.

 

[MarkyX]

I've decided to keep the video. As I stated, I am trying to put less subtitles and more visual. I got a nice clip showing Bernard Junior, his age, just to show how much of a jackass Avery is.

Jim Fetzer is going to be a problem because he is so..out htere. One topic deals with him insulting a FLight 93 nephew victim (I currenlty using some pictures of the Flight 93 victims, not sure if it's effective) and the next one talks about how Structual Engineers are all ******** and everything.

 

[Brainster]

Ah this is going to be harder then I thought.

I need to make images to somewhat entertain the listen while somewhat related to the subject.

Don't forget that you can just post the words they're speaking on the screen.

One of my new favorites is from Old Plague Puppy himself, Jeff King. It's included in the September 11 Revisited movie. Believe it or not, the doofus says (sometime shortly after 27:00):

"When I first saw the collapses I knew they were not spontaneous."

Well, so did 300 million other Americans; we deduced instantly that the collapses of the towers had something to do with the 767s that had crashed into them shortly before.

There's also a clip of Kevin Ryan being interviewed where he notes, "I'm not the smartest guy in the world." One of the great understatements of the 9-11 movement. I think that was from the smorgasbord. James linked a speech by Judy Wood on the Keebler elves and how they relate to 9-11.

Has anybody ever posted video or audio of Fetzer's comments about how in the good old days the mob would have torn Bush to pieces? That's certainly terrific. Also, consider the ending of Loose Change V1, where Dylan calls for the passengers (i.e. the citizens) to take back the plane (the USA) from the hijackers (the Bush Administration).

Also, don't forget Spooked 9-11's experiments (no video or audio) and you may also get some benefit out of that Penn & Teller episode on the 9-11 Deniers--Jimmy Walker in his space cadet outfit is memorable. Hufschmid's definitely worth a look as well; his movie's out there. How about Rick the child prodigy from 9-11 Eyewitness? The latest version of that movie has the nukes going off in the basement of the WTC. Or, if you can stand it, a little bit of "Who Killed John O'Neill" with the John Nash-style diagram on the wall.

Have any of the no-planers managed to put together any clips? I'm sure Killtown or the Web Fairy have done something along those lines; they'd certainly be memorable. When looking for this stuff, you can probably follow Chuck Sheen's frequent advice and look at Universal Seed.

How about some stuff on Gypsy and her whistle-blowing, followed by some (tasteful) shots of her flag routine on the 4th of July?

Also, you might think about organizing the stuff by topic. For example, if you wanted to talk about paranoia among the 9-11 Deniers, you could use the clip from the Smorgasbord with Zwicker talking about "Of course they've infiltrated our movement", and Dylan talking in a brief interview about how he's sure he's on "a list" (another Sacred List!) somewhere. I'm sure there's plenty of other paranoid stuff out there (Hufschmid's graphic showing all the "poisoned" 9-11 Deniers, for example).

 

[MarkyX]

Nah I ain't doing it by topic. It is somewhat random, mainly to throw a curveball to the audience.

But I need link to those footage! I can't scout every piece of film there.

I decided to add some "black spots" at some points then add a picture every now and then. It is radio after all. Remember that this video is based on interviews on the media, not personal documents. Although gyspy will be fun to tease.

 

[Kaarjuus]

I agree that the hard-core among them are nearly immune to changing their minds about anything, but who knows how many onlookers are onlookers because they're unsure about the facts? I took the time to make several long posts there because it seemed that their members had had precious little exposure to anything besides woo. They didn't take their defloration well.

I saw at least one person there being persuaded by your writings (incidentally, the one who suggested you need a mouthguard at Ground Zero). Although, he wasn't convinced that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, he just abandoned Loose Change.

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

I think you all may be interested in this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/5216788.stm

Will be interesting to see the show when its broadcast (it will probably turn up in the USA as Nova)

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

It is actually not clear from the above link that they have tried to replicate the truss arrangment in the WTC to see how fire affects it. I read this in a free newspaper which doesn't have a great online presence. I will try to hunt down more info about it.

 

[gtc]

Here is a Scotland on Sunday article about the tower block fire.

It sounds to me like a general investigation about how to better respond to building fires (and maybe prevent them too), rather than a serious investigation into the ins and outs of 911.