Loose Change - Part III

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I used $167 B in my calculations; that is one reason I asked for clairification.
By the way, I didn't check your calculations in detail, but did you remember to adjust for the fact that an ounce of gold is measured in troy ounces, of which there are 12 in a troy pound, and a troy pound is less than an avoirdupois (sp?) pound?

That last adjustment is pretty minor, but it's my duty to be a pedant!
 
Dylan Avery Is Wrong - End Of Story

I just downloaded the World Gold Holdings for September 2001 (source = World Gold Council, gold.org)

USA = 8135.3 Tonnes x 32,151 Troy Ounces per TONNE
= 261,558,030 Troy Ounces x $265.90 per troy ounce (end August 2001)
= $69,548,280,177.00

So there was only $69 Billion Dollars worth of gold in all of the USA Holdings in September of 2001 ... Cold hard fact, from the worlds leading authority, The World Gold Council.

Go to gold.org and join (it is free), then down load the World Gold Holdings for September 2001 from their archive. DO the calculations yourself.

Dylan Avery is CATAGORICALLY WRONG on the gold issue. END OF STORY.
 
I just downloaded the World Gold Holdings for September 2001 (source = World Gold Council, gold.org)

USA = 8135.3 Tonnes x 32,151 Troy Ounces per TONNE
= 261,558,030 Troy Ounces x $265.90 per troy ounce (end August 2001)
= $69,548,280,177.00

So there was only $69 Billion Dollars worth of gold in all of the USA Holdings in September of 2001 ... Cold hard fact, from the worlds leading authority, The World Gold Council.

Go to gold.org and join (it is free), then down load the World Gold Holdings for September 2001 from their archive. DO the calculations yourself.

Dylan Avery is CATAGORICALLY WRONG on the gold issue. END OF STORY.
Yes, indeed. I used the World Gold Council's figures for my Loose Change Viewer guide analysis. You do need to keep in mind that their figures show the gold OWNED by each country, but don't show where that gold is located. As noted above, much foreign gold is located in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York's vaults.
 
True, but if you add up the total in all countries, I belief you get 32000 TONNES, which even if you 69 Billion x 4, you get only 320 Billion Dollars worth of gold, that is for the entire world. So based, on my previous calculation, and the fact that 45% of the worlds gold is held in Fort Knox and Fed Redserve bank NY together, that leaves 55% of 320 Billion, which is about 180-190 Billion Dollars of Gold, left in the ENTIRE WORLD, outside those two institutions. SO Dylan then claims that almost all of that ($160 Billion) was underneath WTC1

Outrageous..and that was the old claim. Now they are claiming near $1 Trillion, which is triple the worlds total gold holdings at that time.

All the gold ever mined, in the entire world, over all of time = 145,000 Tonnes.
based on his new value, the WTC Vault held about 85% of all of the gold in the entire world since the beginning of mining it. beyond laughable.

that said, I take back that he was CATAGORICALLY WRONG. But he is still wrong...lol
 
Curt, I used the 16oz to a lb. calculation, so my numbers may be off.

And I'm reserving the rest of your most informative and supportive posts until I see if Mr. Avery or someone else will commit to exactly what they mean and the numbers they believe in.

If I was a betting man, this accusation will be deleted or significantly modified in LC3; The Incredible Shrinking Movie..

But maybe Dylan does not always fall for the Fool's mate...
 
160,000,000,000 / 265.9 = 601,729,974 troy ounces

601,729,974 / 32,151 (troy ounces per tonne) = 18,716 TONNES

Total WORLD GOLD HOLDINGS SEPT 2001 = 33,586 TONNES

So D.A. calculates that over half of all the world gold holdings, that is for the ENTIRE PLANET, was located under WTC on 9/11
 
160,000,000,000 / 265.9 = 601,729,974 troy ounces

601,729,974 / 32,151 (troy ounces per tonne) = 18,716 TONNES

Total WORLD GOLD HOLDINGS SEPT 2001 = 33,586 TONNES

So D.A. calculates that over half of all the world gold holdings, that is for the ENTIRE PLANET, was located under WTC on 9/11


That wouldn't take long to move would it?

Loose Gold?

Fools Gold?

Loose Fools Gold?

Loose Gold Change?

Dylan's next fictional movie - the music will be the most truthful part - painful but truthful.
 
Here's the corrected list. Several links have changed. One or two are direct downloads of realplayer files. There's a lot of new stuff on the LC forum Media page:

22) Air America Phoenix Fred McChesney interview with Avery, Rowe, Bermas 4/15/06 http://www.foxlies.com/Media/Fred McChesney Show 4-15-06 Hour2.mp3

McChesney's a complete nutter; I like to listen to his Saturday afternoon show for grins because he's so off the wall. You should hear him talk on JFK.
 
What is really funny is not only the figure, $160 Billion, but also that he doesn't even quote a reference for this number. I can't find a single reference anywhere, besides the CT sites, that give this number, anywhere. Most legitimate sites say $200-$300 Millions worth was stored in the WTC vault.
 
Man I got some nice clips so far, but I need more then just Dylan Avery, Jason Bermes, and Jim "Bruce Willis" Fetzer.

Anyone got any clips of other members that can show what kind of jackasses they are? Audio and Video are welcome.
 
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Just when i thought i'd seen everything troother-related, this article from that WingTV list blew my mind:

Which brings me to Ellen Mariani: she’s the woman who lost her husband Louis on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower on 9-11. With the help of a lawyer named Phil Berg, she filed a lawsuit against President Bush and company under the RICO act. Also, she refused to take the hush money that was offered to her under the 9-11 Victims Compensation fund.

In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government's lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.

I listened to this show over and over again and couldn't believe what she had just said. Everything came together at this point. That’s when it dawned on me that not only had our government lied about the physics of 9-11; they may very well have taken it one step farther by faking the number of people that died that day. I believed what she and Mr. Berg had just said. Nothing about 9-11 made any sense. Why should it start now?

Not knowing then what I know now, Ellen and Phil believed that for some reason the government was holding back the names of the people that had died on Flight 175. She had tried to get in touch with the relatives of other family members, but to no avail. You see, she and her lawyer believed, just like most other people believe, that four jets had been hijacked by Arab terrorists and crashed into buildings and into the ground at Shanksville. I, on the other hand, had already swept those lies aside.

:eek:
 
I have the book The History of Money by Jack Weatherford. It's not heavily footnoted, but the first paragraph of chapter 12 says that Fort Knox has 4600 tons, there is 1781 tons at Westpoint, 1368 tons in Denver, and a little under 1000 tons in other parts of the Federal Reserve, giving the United States a total of around 8000 tons of gold with a market value of ~$100 billion. The book is from 1997.

Then it adds:
Many governments store some of their bullion in a silent vault within the bedrock of lower Manhattan Island, 80 feet below street level in the Federal Reserve Bank. It is stacked in bars, each weighing 400 troy ounces and having a market price of $160,000 [$400 per ounce]. The gold is divided among several different chambers, the largest of which contains a walll composed of 107,000 gold bricks stacked 10 feet high, 10 feet wide, and 18 feet deep. Deposited by many governments, the 10,000 tons of god bars have a value of more than $125 billion. The vault contains about a quarter of al the mined gold in the world.

Google tells me that 10000 tons is 291,666,667 troy ounces.
 
In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government's lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.

Are they maybe confusing "only relative" with "only relative willing to participate in this idiotic lawsuit"?
 
Curt, I used the 16oz to a lb. calculation, so my numbers may be off.

And I'm reserving the rest of your most informative and supportive posts until I see if Mr. Avery or someone else will commit to exactly what they mean and the numbers they believe in.

If I was a betting man, this accusation will be deleted or significantly modified in LC3; The Incredible Shrinking Movie..

But maybe Dylan does not always fall for the Fool's mate...
In my "open letter' to the head Loosers in "Loose Change Creators Speak," I pointed out the idiocy of their first gold claim topped by the insanity of the new trillion-dollar claim. I know they received my document but don't know how much of it they read. I hope at least someone in the CT world has advised them against including this. After all, the new version is going to be "airtight."
 
Are they maybe confusing "only relative" with "only relative willing to participate in this idiotic lawsuit"?
My guess is that she means she's the only one who didn't take the government's settlement offer.
 
Man I got some nice clips so far, but I need more then just Dylan Avery, Jason Bermes, and Jim "Bruce Willis" Fetzer.

Anyone got any clips of other members that can show what kind of jackasses they are? Audio and Video are welcome.
The number one clip that stands out in my mind is Alex Jones's primal sobfest about the NWO taking over on 9/11. I've never made fun of someone's reaction to 9/11 before, but this is way outta control. http://nwobeastomfg.ytmnd.com/

The Alex Jones archives are a treasure trove of 9/11 paranoia.

But it's very hard to beat the archives of the Republic Broadcast Newtork for 9/11 lunacy:
http://www.rbnlive.com/archiveindex.html

Dozens of archive shows by John Stadtmiller (National Intel Report), Jim Fetzer, Christopher(a) Bollyn, Greg Szymanski, Webster Tarpley, Michael Collins Piper.

Eta: How about this lineup from Szymanski's show (be sure to read the last sentence):
Wed., December 7, 2005:
Guests: Jimmy Walter, involved with the 9/11 truth movement, created an event "The New Perl Harbor Confronting the Evidence the Real Investigation Into 9/11 2001" in Tampa, Florida. from www.ReOpen911.org and
Col. George Nelson, Eric Hufschmidt and Nila Sagadevan, are members of (SPINE) Scientific Perfessionals Investigating Nine Eleven.
 
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I got a penn and teller bit for Jimmy Walter, although more interviews would be nice.

I am going to need lots of images now, currently something to do with Flight 93 with Jim Fetzer talking down to one of the victim's nephew. Remember that I am not giving my opinion, I'm going to use visual evidence to counter what they are saying, and I plan on screenshotting articles.
 
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People,

You've got the gold thing wrong. C'mon now. It's all very simple.

The eeeeevil Bush-loving Saudis had $1 trillion in gold under the WTC. They hatched a plan with Bush to destroy the WTC as a decoy to enable them to sneak in and steal all of the gold EXCEPT $230 million or so.

Once they had stolen MOST of their gold they then claimed they had only ever had $230 million (clearly a dirty dirty lie).

So there you have it. All very simple. The 9/11 attacks were a distraction to enable a bunch of Saudis to steal most (but not all) of their own gold.

-Andrew
 
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