Loose Change - Part III

[realitybites]

I'm almost certain that September 10, 2001 was a Labor Day...I remembe waking up that morning, seeing what a beautiful day it was, and wishing I could call in sick, and take the day off. But I knew that my chain of command doesn't like people calling in sick the day after a three-day-weekend, without a doctor's note, so I went to work anyway.

It was the 3rd.

 

[CptColumbo]

A person on the IMDB forum for 9/11, want to refer to the sides as "Non-believers" and "Believers." He/she didn't specify who is who. Since both sides believe something it's hard to tell.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0312318/board/nest/14763923

 

[pgwenthold]

I'm almost certain that September 10, 2001 was a Labor Day...I remembe waking up that morning, seeing what a beautiful day it was, and wishing I could call in sick, and take the day off. But I knew that my chain of command doesn't like people calling in sick the day after a three-day-weekend, without a doctor's note, so I went to work anyway.

Labor Day is always the first Monday in September. It isn't even one of those "the first Monday after the first weekend" things.

My folks' anniversary is on 9/1, and when it falls on a monday, is on Labor Day.

 

[T.A.M.]

Hutch:

This guy, Jerry, at the LC forum re:the gold, he seems almost...convincable. My question, is:

Did they open the vaults, or were the vaults demolished? If the vaults were in tact, then did they open them to find the gold. If they were demolished, then should there be gold in th rubble, and lots of it? I would think that there should still be some gold in them, unless the $230 Million was all the WTC had in it.

As well, I noticed so far, Jerry is the only intellegent one to make any form of sane comment to your post.

Seems to me they think the world works like the movies.

 

[T.A.M.]

A possible answer

Take a look at this link


worldwideweb.nymex.com/press_releas.aspx?id=pr20011116a
(sorry cant actually link yet)

It is a link to NYMEX. They say that the banks gold stored under the WTC was successfully relocated to a bank in Brooklyn.

Not sure if this company represents all the gold, but it might be something to consider.

 

[MarkyX]

Gravy, would you stillhave a copy of some of those interviews for that "Creators Speak" document ? Some of your sources are dead.

EDIT: Any outlandish things spoken by truth movement members also work. I might be doing a video of audio clips and interviews using just their voices and no opinion aside. Also, anyone know how to capture Google Video?

 

[Brainster]

In Jones newest paper there is a person named Rick Rajter (9/11 truth member) who is working on a "debunk" of Mikes 9/11 myths site. He states he will "focus on the top 10 examples of half truths, false information, speculation..."

Anyway, it seems this pattern continues within the "truth movement"
I guess he believes that Stormfront is a valid source for information.
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/09/irans-president-questions-the-holocaust/

Wow, that's pretty disgusting. Rajter appears to be quite a holocaust denier. Better still, from our standpoint is that Morgan Reynolds seems quite happy to associate with him.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Wow, that's pretty disgusting. Rajter appears to be quite a holocaust denier. Better still, from our standpoint is that Morgan Reynolds seems quite happy to associate with him.

So, is it too early to conclude that some big name Holocause deniers are movers and shakers in the 9/11 "Truth" movement, and not just hangers on?

 

[Hutch]

Hutch:

As well, I noticed so far, Jerry is the only intellegent one to make any form of sane comment to your post.

Well, if you read some of his other threads, I am not so sure about the above...

Seems to me they think the world works like the movies.

Indeed. Nearly every reference/rebuttal over there is "Well, have you seen this movie?" or "Have you seen this youtube clip?" It is, I think, a fairly young crowd over there and much more oriented to see and accept things visually than old grouches like me who prefer reading and math.

I am not really sure that is a good thing for the future of my nation...

 

[Gravy]

Hutch:

This guy, Jerry, at the LC forum re:the gold, he seems almost...convincable. My question, is:

Did they open the vaults, or were the vaults demolished? If the vaults were in tact, then did they open them to find the gold. If they were demolished, then should there be gold in th rubble, and lots of it? I would think that there should still be some gold in them, unless the $230 Million was all the WTC had in it.

As well, I noticed so far, Jerry is the only intellegent one to make any form of sane comment to your post.

Seems to me they think the world works like the movies.

T.A.M., here are some iinks. The vaults were intact, although there's a report of one having blowtorch marks on it. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the recovered metal was silver. The second link has a picture of the vaults when they were opened.

http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/nov/17wtc.htm
http://cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-3102
http://www.hudsoncity.net/tubes/vaultshudsonterminal.html
http://www.911myths.com/loose_change_2nd_ed._a_critical_review_of_the_gold_story_segment.pdf

 

[Gravy]

Gravy, would you stillhave a copy of some of those interviews for that "Creators Speak" document ? Some of your sources are dead.

EDIT: Any outlandish things spoken by truth movement members also work. I might be doing a video of audio clips and interviews using just their voices and no opinion aside. Also, anyone know how to capture Google Video?

I have all my transcriptions, but I'll check the links first. I may simply have typed them in wrong.

ETA: I Notice I didn't have the links to the Beyond the Ordinary interviews. They're all crazy but the one with Bermas is a killer. http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/loosechange.shtml

 

[aggle-rithm]

So, is it too early to conclude that some big name Holocause deniers are movers and shakers in the 9/11 "Truth" movement, and not just hangers on?

They probably just like to hang out with credulous people in general.

 

[Blackwell]

Also, anyone know how to capture Google Video?

Try www.keepvid.com

ETA: You can also click the "download" button to the right of the vid in Google, but that downloads the Google Video Player app, then downloads the video clip as a ".gvi" file - sounds proprietary, so I doubt you'd be able to import and edit that in a video editor. keepvid.com allows you to select the file type for the video download, including Quicktime and WMV.

 

[kevin]

Labor Day is always the first Monday in September. It isn't even one of those "the first Monday after the first weekend" things.

My folks' anniversary is on 9/1, and when it falls on a monday, is on Labor Day.

Yeah, Labor day has never occured on the 10th, the latest it can occur is the 7th. my birthday is the 4th so I always have a 3 day weekend right around my birthday.

 

[kevin]

This gives me a good idea for another "fun stuff" article to point out how much of an idiot Dylan Avery is...again

So what is the official price for an ounce of gold? I keep hearing wild numbers from 250 to 280, so which one is real?

for 2001 i see prices of $250, which is a nice round number. To get a billiion dollars in gold at $250/troy ounc you would have to get 137 tons of gold. To get a trillion dollars you would need 137,143 tons. Even at todays prices of around $600 a troy ounce you need 57 tons for a billion dollars.

according to the usgs
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/gold/300301.pdf
as of 2000 all the gold ever mined added up to 130,000 tons, of which 15% has been lost. Of the remaining 110,000 tons, 33,300 tons are held by banks and 77,200 tons are privately held.

 

[T.A.M.]

If I am not mistaken, isnt 25-30% of the worlds gold supply held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 33 Liberty Ave (266 Million Troy Ounces). At todays rate, it is only estimated at $90-120 Billion. In addition another 15-20% of the worlds Gold is in Fort Knox (144 Million Troy Ounces).

That is 40-55% of the worlds gold in those two locations. AM I suppose to believe that almost all of the remaining gold in the ENTIRE world ($160 Billions worth, or even worse a trillion, which is more that the worlds supply) was located under the WTC on 9/11?

SO if D.A. are right, then all the official gold in the world, in terms of "bars" at least, are held in only three locations on earth, all in the US. Seems a little un realistic.

 

[60hzxtl]

If I am not mistaken, isnt 25-30% of the worlds gold supply held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 33 Liberty Ave (266 Million Troy Ounces). At todays rate, it is only estimated at $90-120 Billion. In addition another 15-20% of the worlds Gold is in Fort Knox (144 Million Troy Ounces).

That is 40-55% of the worlds gold in those two locations. AM I suppose to believe that almost all of the remaining gold in the ENTIRE world ($160 Billions worth, or even worse a trillion, which is more that the worlds supply) was located under the WTC on 9/11?

SO if D.A. are right, then all the official gold in the world, in terms of "bars" at least, are held in only three locations on earth, all in the US. Seems a little un realistic.

And two of those locations are (were) within a mile of each other in Manhattan?


Dylan's Caper Mooovie!

 

[Belz...]

I am not really sure that is a good thing for the future of my nation...

Move to Canada. We have lots of beer here!!

Eh.

 

[kevin]

If I am not mistaken, isnt 25-30% of the worlds gold supply held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 33 Liberty Ave (266 Million Troy Ounces).

According to this site, they have about 9000 tons.
http://www.theinsider.com/nyc/attractions/2federal.htm

 

[Gravy]

Gravy, would you stillhave a copy of some of those interviews for that "Creators Speak" document ? Some of your sources are dead.

Here's the corrected list. Several links have changed. One or two are direct downloads of realplayer files. There's a lot of new stuff on the LC forum Media page: http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?

Here's an interview that's on Avery's Wikipedia page: "Interview in The John Ziegler Show (KFI AM 640, Los Angeles, CA)", Segment begins at approximately 18:10, 2006-06-23.

1) The Edge AM Daniel Ott with Dylan Avery May 13, 2006 www.theedgeam.com/interviews/audiofiles.htm

2) Eric Hufschmid telephone interview with Avery, Rowe & Bermas 4/28/06 www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html

3) Black Ops Radio interview with Avery May 14, 2006 http://www.blackopradio.com/black270a.ram

4) CBC TV Canada interview with Avery May 17, 2006 http://resurrectingthelede.blogspot.com/2006/05/loose-change-author-on-canadian.html

5) Video interview with Avery April 30, 2006 http://wnymedia.net/video/DylanAveryInterviewLooseChange_300k.wmv

6) WingTV audio file with Avery http://www.911underground.com/WING_TV_2004-11-01_Dylan_Avery_Interview.MP3

7) Republic Broadcasting Radio interview, John Stadtmiller with Avery 12/6//05
Part 1: http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0512/20051206_Tue_Stadtmiller1.mp3 Part 2: http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt/0512/20051206_Tue_Stadtmiller2.mp3

8) Press Release Arizona tour http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_forum/index.php?showtopic=4527

9) WingTV segment re: Naudet brothers legal action against Avery May 30, 2006 http://real.undergroundnyc.com/ramgen/classicmixes/wing-loose.rm

10) Fox News Binghamton story on LC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZjJQWNQZog&search=Dylan Avery

11) Loose Change review: Changelinks Progressive Newspaper www.change-links.org/loosechange.htm

12) Alex Jones interview with Avery 1/19/06 (Link is dead but it's available as a bittorrent file: http://www.mininova.org/tor/203661 )

13) Republic Broadcasting Stadtmiller with Avery & Jayhan 8/9/05 http://mp3rbnlive.com/stadt/050820050809_Tue_Stadtmiller/.mp3

14) Article: DavidCogswell.com May 23, 2006

15) Loose Change Second Edition DVD Extras Ground Zero September 11, 2005

16) Deadline Live radio interview Jack Blood with Avery 4/7/05 http://www.loosechange911.com

17) The Brothers Plue podcast 12/29/05 http://www.plueballs.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=44295

18) Loose Change Second Edition West coast Premiere May 2, 2006 Part 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-810472779099754665

19) Beyond the Ordinary Radio interview with Avery & Rowe http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/loosechange.shtml

20) Beyond the Ordinary Radio interview with Avery & Bermas http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/loosechange.shtml

21) Beyond the Ordinary Radio interview with Bermas http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/loosechange.shtml

22) Air America Phoenix Fred McChesney interview with Avery, Rowe, Bermas 4/15/06 http://www.foxlies.com/Media/Fred McChesney Show 4-15-06 Hour2.mp3

23) LC2E review: http://www.911blogger.com/2005/12/loose-change-second-edition-full.html