Loose Change - Part III

[T.A.M.]

Somebody already tried to debunk 911myths. I remember reading it, and thinking that all the guy was doing was commenting on the tone of the information, and accusing Mike and gang of making a bunch of strawman arguments.

I doubt this guy will do anything more than that. It is hard to debunk the "REAL TRUTH" unless they continue their "making up lies" campaign. In that case, we'll all just have to shoot them down again.

 

[60hzxtl]

Remember, the neo-Nazi link to 9-11 denial is not surprising. We've had the paranoid right mingling with the paranoid left over Israel for a couple decades. Add in the Muslims who want to deny Islamic involvement in 9-11 and you've got three groups who'd very much like to blame this on the Jews. Throw in the "neocon" euphemism for Jews and you've pretty much got Dylan Avery's position.

Dylan Avey's position is in the center ring of the circus wearing the top hat. He has the ring on the right full of crackpots, and the ring on the left equaly full of crackpots, both with their agendas of havoc.

He wants to run the Greatest Snow on Earth.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Well, speaking of an overflowing loonucopia, I actually wish i'd found this site when I started my Loose Change research. It's Wing TV's 2005 "Best of" list. When the page loaded, I thought, "Oh, here's a nice top-ten list." And then I scrolled down. And scrolled. And scrolled.

Some of the pieces are hilarious. Until you remember that they're talking about the actions of real people.

And look who shows up at number 143:

Unsung Activist of the Year
Rick Rajter --- Oftentimes there are people behind-the-scenes who are doing even more work than those at the forefront. Rick Rajter is one of these individuals, and he certainly doesn't receive enough credit for it.

 

[Belz...]

Welcom to the forum, T.A.M.
Your WTC gold theory is far too sensible to make it into an Avery production. He contends that the airplane strikes were distractions for the gold theft, and that the $167 billion (lately they've been saying it's over $1 trillion) was removed between the time the first plane hit and the time the south tower collapsed: 73 minutes.

1 Trillion ?? Isn't that WAY MORE than the total sum of the world-wide gold reserves ?

Wow! These people can CREATE gold!

 

[MarkyX]

Somebody already tried to debunk 911myths. I remember reading it, and thinking that all the guy was doing was commenting on the tone of the information, and accusing Mike and gang of making a bunch of strawman arguments.

I doubt this guy will do anything more than that. It is hard to debunk the "REAL TRUTH" unless they continue their "making up lies" campaign. In that case, we'll all just have to shoot them down again.

Pretty much so. I got a fair bit of email saying that I am 'too sarcastic' at some points. Although I agree, it's intentional because this is just a bunch of bullcrap over and over again. I merely point out the BS and information hidden, and information hidden is not truth.

Some people refused to look past the point where I asked "where is the connection to 9/11" when they talk about Operation Northwoods and Drone pilots. To a critical thinker, the film doesn't make provide any evidence of a question and merely shows it's existence (a real documentary would show it), and I point this out. On the otherhand, dumb theorists think I am just 'asking questions' that doesn't provide anything

And they wonder why the rest of the world views them as nuts. I find it ironic that they dislike the mainstream media BUT would take a propaganda film like Loose Change that even Hitler would be proud of without question.

I really hope that none of these people ever hold political power. It would be a real fascist state.

 

[aggle-rithm]

So what is the official price for an ounce of gold? I keep hearing wild numbers from 250 to 280, so which one is real?

I hope you're not naive enough to believe the OFFICAL price of gold. That's just a fabrication by the Zionists and the Joooos.

 

[60hzxtl]

1 Trillion ?? Isn't that WAY MORE than the total sum of the world-wide gold reserves ?

Wow! These people can CREATE gold!

They have the lead.

The CT'ers and Loosers share much with alchemists.

 

[realitybites]

Oh. My. God.

I don't even know what to say to this. I'm sitting here, trying to wrap my brain around it and come up with something witty, but the fact of the matter is, there's really no point.

Oliver Stone made World Trade Center as part of a DWI and drug possession deal.

 

[Grundar]

Since i can see johndoeX doesn't trust my translation and Arkan is having an argument with him about it I'll elaborate on it. If you want to continue the argument feel free to quote me.

jag = I
e (dialect) = är = am,is,are
knepp (dialect or misspelling) = knäpp = silly, loony, nuts

There is not one knepp in the Swedish on-line phone directory (www.eniro.se) only one Jage (does not even come close to knepp in his last name) and five or six with the last name Knäpp

Close English example would be Iam Stopid.

If he wants my credentials I'm from Sweden and it could be fun to ask him to find a swede thats not agreeing with the translation or if he rather trusts on-line translators. Of course it could be an exchange student but I find it extremely unlikely.

 

[Longfellow]

I don't even know what to say to this. I'm sitting here, trying to wrap my brain around it and come up with something witty, but the fact of the matter is, there's really no point.

I know the feeling. I had a long reply all typed up and dumped it instead of submitting it because, truth be known, I think a vast majority of the members of the 'truth movement' are incapable of logical thinking (mutton-head and speakthetruth come to mind). The only thing they've 'proven' is that Stone was cited for DUI and drug possesion. It's akin to when Stone was quoted as saying 'he has every right to say what he wants' (paraphrasing) about Charlie Sheen's comments concerning 911. Some members of the (bowel) movement jumped on that as meaning Stone was a troofer when, logically, Stone may have been merely reaffirming Sheen's First Amendment rights.

Has anyone seen the thread in the 'investigate 911' section of that forum titled 'something not talked about' started by someone who calls themself 'the decider'? He's trying to make the case that the towers were so strong because of their cores. I seem to remember reading that the load split was 60/40 in favor of the exterior columns but I can't find it on the 'net. Am I remembering correctly?

Sorry, I can't post a link yet.

 

[Hutch]

Well, I started my first thread on Loose Change, basically on the Gold question because as a Logistics Specialist I find the idea of moving 18,000 tons of gold in 76 minutes rather...infeasible is the nicest word I can think of.

I was completely respectful and I think my questions were worded in a non-confrontational tone, but some were a direct challenge to Mr.Avery to answer, so we'll see if I smoke him out, or just get banned...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8829

 

[pgwenthold]

Since i can see johndoeX doesn't trust my translation and Arkan is having an argument with him about it I'll elaborate on it. If you want to continue the argument feel free to quote me.

jag = I
e (dialect) = är = am,is,are
knepp (dialect or misspelling) = knäpp = silly, loony, nuts

There is not one knepp in the Swedish on-line phone directory (www.eniro.se) only one Jage (does not even come close to knepp in his last name) and five or six with the last name Knäpp

Much less in the Stockholm University Chemistry department (although, to be fair, SU doesn't really have a "chemistry" department per se, but has departments of analytical chemistry, organic chemistry, etc.) I was not able to access the link to the Sociology dept, so I couldn't check there.

And it took all of like 2 minutes to check it out. Anyone can do it. There is no reason to argue about it, because it is trivial to look it up.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Well, I started my first thread on Loose Change, basically on the Gold question because as a Logistics Specialist I find the idea of moving 18,000 tons of gold in 76 minutes rather...infeasible is the nicest word I can think of...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8829

Re-read your first post, Hutch. Was it 167 or 176 bill?

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Why the date 9/11?

I'd heard that it was because not very many people fly on Tuesdays.

It was also the day after a holiday, Labor Day.

I think the main concern was weather...they wanted the attacks to go off early in the morning, with perfect wdeather, for maximum TV impact.

Remember that terrorism is more about psychological warfare than actual destruction.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Neo-Nazis and 9/11

We got cited in one of the Stormfront forums as good guys to debunk Dylan and Co. I'll have to look up the link tomorrow to see if the argument was about whether the Zionists were behind it.

Remember, the neo-Nazi link to 9-11 denial is not surprising. We've had the paranoid right mingling with the paranoid left over Israel for a couple decades. Add in the Muslims who want to deny Islamic involvement in 9-11 and you've got three groups who'd very much like to blame this on the Jews. Throw in the "neocon" euphemism for Jews and you've pretty much got Dylan Avery's position.

It's not that they're all neo-Nazis. It's just that they all find themselves with a commonality of interest in moving the story off 19 Arab terrorists.

Funnily enough, when 9/11 took place, neo-Nazis cheered the atrocity and blamed it on their various Jewish menaces...they also issued statements admiring the terrorists who flew the planes, hailing them for killing Jews.

Neo-Nazis try to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Since i can see johndoeX doesn't trust my translation and Arkan is having an argument with him about it I'll elaborate on it. If you want to continue the argument feel free to quote me.

jag = I
e (dialect) = är = am,is,are
knepp (dialect or misspelling) = knäpp = silly, loony, nuts

There is not one knepp in the Swedish on-line phone directory (www.eniro.se) only one Jage (does not even come close to knepp in his last name) and five or six with the last name Knäpp

Close English example would be Iam Stopid.

If he wants my credentials I'm from Sweden and it could be fun to ask him to find a swede thats not agreeing with the translation or if he rather trusts on-line translators. Of course it could be an exchange student but I find it extremely unlikely.

Done. With appropriate credits. Thanks much!

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Does this count?

OK, does anybody else work for any US intelligence agency, either part-time or full-time?

I'm on Newark's Emergency Operations Committee and Homeland Security Committee. When the bomb is dropped, I'll be helping to run things from the bunker.

 

[Hutch]

Re-read your first post, Hutch. Was it 167 or 176 bill?

I used $167 B in my calculations; that is one reason I asked for clairification.

See your point, edited.

And Mutton-head, I do not work for any intelligence agency, but I have been an employee of the Department of Defense for the last 25 years..does that count?

 

[pgwenthold]

It was also the day after a holiday, Labor Day.

Labor Day was Sept 3, at least in the US.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

A holiday in our street, too...

Labor Day was Sept 3, at least in the US.

I'm almost certain that September 10, 2001 was a Labor Day...I remembe waking up that morning, seeing what a beautiful day it was, and wishing I could call in sick, and take the day off. But I knew that my chain of command doesn't like people calling in sick the day after a three-day-weekend, without a doctor's note, so I went to work anyway.