Loose Change - Part III

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Those of you who've seen Loose Change or read my critique of it are aware that one of its main sources of disinformation is the American Free Press. The AFP is relatively new, and lists its predecessor as a publication called the Spotlight. I did some Googling on the Spotlight but didn't turn up much in my brief search. A reader has just emailed me with some very interesting (and not surprising) information, reprinted with permission:

Here's some corroborating info:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/secret_global_meeting.html

In 2000, when yours truly was with the now defunct Spotlight, it was positively determined that Bilderberg would meet in the area of Brussels, Belgium, June 1-3. But the precise location was unclear.

http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cach...lnk&cd=5&ie=UTF-8&client=pub-5329003121141183
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Liberty_Supplement.pdf

Final Notes . . .
American Free Press newspaper (and before it
The Spotlight) were the only newspapers in America
we know of to expose the facts about this brutal and
wanton attack before the truth was aired on the
Discovery Channel more than 30 years after the

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/taxpayers_strike.html

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Washington July 19, under auspices of the We the People Foundation, by Mark Lane, longtime general counsel to the now-defunct Spotlight and its publisher, Liberty Lobby.

If anyone is interested in more info on Liberty Lobby, Willis Carto, et al check out M. Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things in the Holocause deniers section.

I mean, dang, I know I said I thought their tactics bore a striking resemblence to Holocause deniers, but, wowza. I wouldn't have guess such a tight linkage.

 

[Gravy]

In short, I want to know who their crack-dealer is; because he is providing high grade junk.

Yes, I've done this calculation several times, for the gold claim in LC, for the recent claims, and for the (mostly silver) and gold that was actually removed from the vaults. It's a fun calculation to do, because idiocy is usually hard to quantify. The price of gold at EOM September, 2001 was $283.42, August was $272.49, per the World Gold Council. Know what's scary? I have those figures memorized.

 

[Gravy]

I mean, dang, I know I said I thought their tactics bore a striking resemblence to Holocause deniers, but, wowza. I wouldn't have guess such a tight linkage.

Thanks, Arkan. Scary stuff. Thanks for the reminder to read Shermer also.

 

[Kent1]

Those of you who've seen Loose Change or read my critique of it are aware that one of its main sources of disinformation is the American Free Press. The AFP is relatively new, and lists its predecessor as a publication called the Spotlight. I did some Googling on the Spotlight but didn't turn up much in my brief search. A reader has just emailed me with some very interesting (and not surprising) information, reprinted with permission:

In Jones newest paper there is a person named Rick Rajter (9/11 truth member) who is working on a "debunk" of Mikes 9/11 myths site. He states he will "focus on the top 10 examples of half truths, false information, speculation..."

Anyway, it seems this pattern continues within the "truth movement"
I guess he believes that Stormfront is a valid source for information.
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/09/irans-president-questions-the-holocaust/

 

[MarkyX]

Yes, I've done this calculation several times, for the gold claim in LC, for the recent claims, and for the (mostly silver) and gold that was actually removed from the vaults. It's a fun calculation to do, because idiocy is usually hard to quantify. The price of gold at EOM September, 2001 was $283.42, August was $272.49, per the World Gold Council. Know what's scary? I have those figures memorized.

This gives me a good idea for another "fun stuff" article to point out how much of an idiot Dylan Avery is...again

So what is the official price for an ounce of gold? I keep hearing wild numbers from 250 to 280, so which one is real?

 

[Kent1]

In Jones newest paper there is a person named Rick Rajter (9/11 truth member) who is working on a "debunk" of Mikes 9/11 myths site. He states he will "focus on the top 10 examples of half truths, false information, speculation..."

Anyway, it seems this pattern continues within the "truth movement"
I guess he believes that Stormfront is a valid source for information.
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/09/irans-president-questions-the-holocaust/

Also, this has some good information even if its from Hoffman's site
http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html

 

[JamesB]

Here's some corroborating info:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/secret_global_meeting.html


http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cach...lnk&cd=5&ie=UTF-8&client=pub-5329003121141183
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Liberty_Supplement.pdf


http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/taxpayers_strike.html


If anyone is interested in more info on Liberty Lobby, Willis Carto, et al check out M. Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things in the Holocause deniers section.

I mean, dang, I know I said I thought their tactics bore a striking resemblence to Holocause deniers, but, wowza. I wouldn't have guess such a tight linkage.

A couple of weeks ago when I was discussing the academic credibility of sources with Jim Fetzer, I mentioned the American Free Press (which the scholars reference in their "peer reviewed" journal) and sent him this link. No surprise, he didn't respond on this topic.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/carto.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=carto

 

[apathoid]

In Jones newest paper there is a person named Rick Rajter (9/11 truth member) who is working on a "debunk" of Mikes 9/11 myths site. He states he will "focus on the top 10 examples of half truths, false information, speculation..."

Anyway, it seems this pattern continues within the "truth movement"
I guess he believes that Stormfront is a valid source for information.
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/09/irans-president-questions-the-holocaust/

It seems that alot of 911 "researchers" really dont have a clue when it comes to whats reputable and what isnt. I think its because their perception of reality and what's normal is soooo jaded and skewed.
For example, I did a search on one of them who's been at SLC spewing garbage, and I found him asking "whats wrong with judicialinc.biz ?" in an AirAmerica forum after somone asked him if he was serious when he linked it. judicialinc.biz is a hideous holocaust denial/neo-Nazi/Hitler supporting site laden with extremely disturbing images, swastikas, etc.... he found nothing wrong with it and couldnt see why others did. Amazing.

 

[Gravy]

In Jones newest paper there is a person named Rick Rajter (9/11 truth member) who is working on a "debunk" of Mikes 9/11 myths site. He states he will "focus on the top 10 examples of half truths, false information, speculation..."

Anyway, it seems this pattern continues within the "truth movement"
I guess he believes that Stormfront is a valid source for information.
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/09/irans-president-questions-the-holocaust/

Holy mackeral. Will the scum never cease? Does Mike know about this guy?

 

[Kent1]

Holy mackeral. Will the scum never cease? Does Mike know about this guy?

Yea. We've talked about him.

 

[Gravy]

Well, speaking of an overflowing loonucopia, I actually wish i'd found this site when I started my Loose Change research. It's Wing TV's 2005 "Best of" list. When the page loaded, I thought, "Oh, here's a nice top-ten list." And then I scrolled down. And scrolled. And scrolled.

Some of the pieces are hilarious. Until you remember that they're talking about the actions of real people.

 

[SRW]

http://paltalk.com/

There is a 9/11 conspriacy theory discussion. Hope you guys have a mic or good typists.

I recorded this place, when they were playing Betty Ong's call from flight 11. The part that was recorded. The rest is them tearing it appart and just the crap that is typical in this room. If anyone want a copy to post, PM me and I'll email it to you.

Steve

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Well, speaking of an overflowing loonucopia, I actually wish i'd found this site when I started my Loose Change research. It's Wing TV's 2005 "Best of" list. When the page loaded, I thought, "Oh, here's a nice top-ten list." And then I scrolled down. And scrolled. And scrolled.

Some of the pieces are hilarious. Until you remember that they're talking about the actions of real people.

Woo Central, eh, Gravy?

 

[kevin]

So what is the official price for an ounce of gold? I keep hearing wild numbers from 250 to 280, so which one is real?

August gold is at $618 a troy ounce. December gold dropped to $630.30.

http://www.thestreet.com/_googlen/m...251.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

Not sure what it sells for today.

 

[XXX]

Well, speaking of an overflowing loonucopia, I actually wish i'd found this site when I started my Loose Change research. It's Wing TV's 2005 "Best of" list. When the page loaded, I thought, "Oh, here's a nice top-ten list." And then I scrolled down. And scrolled. And scrolled.

Some of the pieces are hilarious. Until you remember that they're talking about the actions of real people.

Oh, this list is great. Still lookig through it.

I love this though..."Most Blatant Example of a Cover-Up...The silencing of BYU Physics Professor Steven E. Jones --- A textbook example of information black-out."

Yea, he's so silenced that I can find his "paper" and all of his other latest theories all over the internet!

 

[XXX]

Oh, and in the "where do they come up with this stuff" catagory, we have...

"Most Overlooked 9-11 Smoking Gun of the Year...No Flight 93 at Shanksville --- The government's hoax has now been exposed for the entire world to see. Flight 93 (or something purporting to be Flight 93) was actually shot down over Indian Lake, Pa., and crash-landed in a tiny town called New Baltimore, Pa., which is located approximately 6-8 miles away from Shanksville. Thus, to create a massive diversion away from the actual crash site, a missile was fired into an abandoned strip mine in Shanksville, which then became the place where the media and curious onlookers were corraled."

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Yeah, not just Woo Central, but a woo black hole!

 

[EvilBiker]

August gold is at $618 a troy ounce. December gold dropped to $630.30.

Not sure what it sells for today.

http://www.business-standard.com/sm...hp?leftnm=lmnu6&subLeft=11&autono=99236&tab=r

July 26th:

In the late afternoon trade, the yellow metal plummeted to $609 an ounce from the day’s opening at $614.

 

[CptColumbo]

Didn't Mr. T just swear off gold like it was smoking?

 

[Brainster]

In Jones newest paper there is a person named Rick Rajter (9/11 truth member) who is working on a "debunk" of Mikes 9/11 myths site. He states he will "focus on the top 10 examples of half truths, false information, speculation..."

Anyway, it seems this pattern continues within the "truth movement"
I guess he believes that Stormfront is a valid source for information.
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/09/irans-president-questions-the-holocaust/

We got cited in one of the Stormfront forums as good guys to debunk Dylan and Co. I'll have to look up the link tomorrow to see if the argument was about whether the Zionists were behind it.

Remember, the neo-Nazi link to 9-11 denial is not surprising. We've had the paranoid right mingling with the paranoid left over Israel for a couple decades. Add in the Muslims who want to deny Islamic involvement in 9-11 and you've got three groups who'd very much like to blame this on the Jews. Throw in the "neocon" euphemism for Jews and you've pretty much got Dylan Avery's position.

It's not that they're all neo-Nazis. It's just that they all find themselves with a commonality of interest in moving the story off 19 Arab terrorists.