Loose Change - Part III

[Regnad Kcin]

...Most of these web trolls who set themselves up as gods do so with a heavy dose of condescension and contempt for their audience.

Now, now. No sense anymore in talking about Christophera.

 

[steve s]

OMFG they're in Strangelove territory now.

Somebody over there is on about fluouridated water.

From that thread, a pearl of wisdom from Datars...

Critical thinking is Horse ****.

Use common sense, that all it takes. I reach people @ 99% to 100% showing 911

Steve S.

 

[CurtC]

Here, let me complete what Datars really means:

From that thread, a pearl of wisdom from Datars...

If the goal is to get someone to believe that 9/11 was in inside job, Critical thinking is Horse ****.

Use common sense, that all it takes. I reach people @ 99% to 100% showing 911

 

[Blackwell]

An interesting article on cnn.com today, about the conspiracies surrounding the TWA 800 disaster - just replace "Salinger" with "Fetzer" or "Avery":

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/12/twa.conspiracy/index.html

 

[Hutch]

OK, chucksheen has convinced me he is no more than 13 years old.

See his post in this thread.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8085

His second post, the fourth one in the thread.

I am forebearing to post what I think right now because mr. supermod would ban me for certain..

 

[Kent1]

A new interesting article has come out by Mark Ferran.

Its a response to various claims made by Steven Jones.
I believe its worth checking out.

http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/50300.php

Titled
WTC IRON BURNS!!!
A small highlight

I found this children's educational webpage that further illustrates that "Professor Jones" (among the "9-11 Scholars") is an incompetent ignoramus because he ignores the scientifically provable (or disprovable) fact that Iron metal itself burns, and that when amassed in large piles can ignite fires (and can even melt itself). The article discusses child-safe experiments observing a very slow oxidation of iron (rusting at room temperature), but also mentions:
"Sometimes a big load of iron in a ship can get hot. The heat can even set other materials on fire. That’s because the iron is rusting, which means it is burning very, very slowly. Iron rusts in a chemical reaction called oxidation. That means the iron reacts with oxygen gas from the air. Oxidation is the chemical reaction that occurs when anything burns in air. Like most oxidations, rusting gives off heat."

http://www.highlightskids.com/Science/TryThis/h3TT1004_ironBurns.asp?subTitleID=159

 

[DavidJames]

OK, chucksheen has convinced me he is no more than 13 years old.

See his post in this thread.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8085

His second post, the fourth one in the thread.

I am forebearing to post what I think right now because mr. supermod would ban me for certain..

I would have no such concerns pointing out what an idiot he is. But you are one of the few left to carry the torch

Speaking of idiot, did you see jenabells comment about Sagan and the baloney detection kit when c0rbin pointed him to it?

The book is 14.95.......the guys has been dead for almost ten years now.........I do not feel like supporting that sort of thing

At least he finally realized Sagan was dead, up until this point, his comments about him indicated he had no clue who he was.

 

[Kent1]

He said "I've never heard of ordnance until now, thanks."

 

[Brainster]

OK, chucksheen has convinced me he is no more than 13 years old.

He has the intelligence and accumulated wisdom of a 13-year-old, but my guess is he's in his mid-40s.

Yes, the video says DataRS, but that's just another one of Chuckie baby's Sock Puppet names. Note that the cameraman refers to him as Chuck. I can back this up with further confirmation if desired; I worked this out a month or so ago. I think he's whistle-blower Gypsy Taub's main squeeze.

 

[The_Fire]

He said "I've never heard of ordnance until now, thanks."

That one got me as well despite a lack of military service....Only the boys get that arround here......And the volunteer thing for women weren't arround when I was 18 so.......

 

[Class]

He has the intelligence and accumulated wisdom of a 13-year-old, but my guess is he's in his mid-40s.

Yes, the video says DataRS, but that's just another one of Chuckie baby's Sock Puppet names. Note that the cameraman refers to him as Chuck. I can back this up with further confirmation if desired; I worked this out a month or so ago. I think he's whistle-blower Gypsy Taub's main squeeze.

I asked him if he was chuck sheen around two weeks ago. He said no, his real name is Chuck so that is why it says "DataRS (ChucK)" in his movie decriptions.

 

[apathoid]

JDX also hinted that it should be relatively easy to figure out who he is, given enough persistence. My first guess is Nila Sagadevan

Agreed. JDX is on the record at LC stating that Nila's "ground effect" claim (a/c with high wing-loading traveling at high speed can't fly low enough, long enough, to hit the Pentagon) is nonsense.

I don't think that's him. JDX, I'm pretty sure, is American and living in New York (though apparently not in NYC).

Nila Sagadevan from what I understand lives in California and has claimed to be living in the US for 30+ years. Its my belief, since reading his "Impossibilty of Flying a Heavy Aircraft....." piece, that Nila is a fraud. He claims to be a professional pilot, aeronautical engineer, communications consultant and author(it seems he has published a few books). If he is indeed a pilot, he must be licensed under a different name. The FAA maintains a full database of certified airmen and A&Ps. Every pilot and mechanic I've ever queried returned a record. Any number of misspellings of Nila Sagadevan return no record in the database. If he is a pilot, his certificate has been yanked because they do not expire....I've emailed him and asked for his explanation but didnt get a reply.

For what its worth, JohndoeX sent me a PM through the LC forums stating his former airline. They went belly up earlier this year, and I'm thinking he was most likely a ramper. He's claimed to have flown the 727 and I had a quiz ready for him, but I decided it would be a pointless exercise as he will undoubtedly come up with an excuse similar to the "I never claimed to be working" one.

 

[Mongrel]

New subforum at LC

Nice to see Chucksheen is keeping up his normal standards of scepticality in the debate

I am not grasping for straws you just have selective consciousness.

 

[Polaris]

Over at The History Channel, where switchblades are the rule, flamers would impersonate their enemies, adopting the handles of their opponents, with a period or a comma added, to fool the unwary. One extreme nutter from Canada would not take banning seriously, and he kept returning a couple of hours later, under a new version of his handle, "Confucius."

You still go there? Damn, you've got more patience than I do. So they finally 86'ed him eh? He never did answer my question if baseball was wrong because a man with four balls can't walk.

The THC forum lost it a few years ago when they started changing formats every 6 months for the hell of it. I think the number of users dropped by 90%.

 

[Kent1]

It seems Jones is leaning away from the thermite box/cylinder and leaning towards sol-gels.

http://911blogger.com/

"Note also that while I'm leaning now to the use of thermite-containing sol-gels, it is possible that cylinders containing thermite as you have found patents for could have [also] been used. Finding such a cylinder would indeed be a dramatic proof in itself, I believe."

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Gentlemen... start your engines...

JamesB,

Professor Jones has expressed an interest in joining this forum, and although he does not generally respond to ad hominem attacks, such as the many expressed in this forum (and in similar forums, which are primarily dedicated to the support of the government's conspiracy theory), he stated that he would be interested in reasoned scientific debate.

http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies/viewtopic.php?t=15&start=15&mforum=911studies

He won't be here, but he'll be out in the open... sort of.

Just remember no ad hominem stuff. Jones can make up stories about being chased by the feds, he can claim to be a devout mormon one minute but ignore his associates attacks against members of his religion the next, but WE have to be careful not to offend his tender sensibilities.

 

[SBrown]

Hola good friends....

Lets start rippin this traitorous scum bag. He obviously suffers from dementia, I say we take that angle.

Lets show the woo's a thing err two.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO 4 SURE

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Hola good friends....

Lets start rippin this traitorous scum bag. He obviously suffers from dementia, I say we take that angle.

Lets show the woo's a thing err two.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO 4 SURE

I don't know what's funnier about the good generals remarks in that video you linked.

That he claims he can measure objects in photographs that are occluded by thick black smoke, or that he thinks a 13 foot wide 757 fueselage won't fit in the hole he thinks he saw.

A double loss for the truthers, try again Jennybelle.

 

[Donks]

Hola good friends....

Lets start rippin this traitorous scum bag. He obviously suffers from dementia, I say we take that angle.

Lets show the woo's a thing err two.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO 4 SURE

The man is entitled to his opinion. Given his evidence (can be summed up in "I can't believe a plane crashed in the pentagon and made a hole that size"), that's all it is.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Hola good friends....

Lets start rippin this traitorous scum bag. He obviously suffers from dementia, I say we take that angle.

Lets show the woo's a thing err two.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO 4 SURE

You still don't quite get it do you? Even if I didn't think your post was missing its [sarcasm] tags, it's still not how we approach things around here. Launching into ad hom attacks against the speaker in the film accomplishes nothing.

Showing that his claim of rank in the military is uncited/corroborated and that he provides nothing more than his opinion on the size of the hole in the Pentagon in relation to the plane does however; because those are non-scientific, logically fallacious arguments.