Loose Change - Part II

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dubfan said:
Prediction:

Several "debunkings" (and I use that term with all the derision I can muster with two ASCII quotation symbols) will soon appear that attempt to rebut Gravy's work. A common pattern will emerge: these "debunkings" will tend to ignore all of the factual content of Gravy's piece and will instead focus on his use of sarcasm, editorial comment, and lack of attribution in spots. They will conclude that Gravy is guilty of the same crimes that Loose Change is, therefore, his Viewer's Guide can be safely ignored.
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I think the good outweighs the bad here. I admit that I wished I never went with the whole 'sarcastic bastard' approuch and acted a little more professional, but even so, you cannot deny LC is full of crap.

The people who ignore this guide, my video, or other pieces of evidence have little interest in "truth seeking" or the concern of the families of 9/11, but instead rather take the lazy man's way out and simply protest the government. It's much easier to hold a sign and yell than do something useful in your life.
 
MarkyX said:
I think the good outweighs the bad here. I admit that I wished I never went with the whole 'sarcastic bastard' approuch and acted a little more professional, but even so, you cannot deny LC is full of crap.

The people who ignore this guide, my video, or other pieces of evidence have little interest in "truth seeking" or the concern of the families of 9/11, but instead rather take the lazy man's way out and simply protest the government. It's much easier to hold a sign and yell than do something useful in your life.
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Don't be too hard on yourself, thinking that you should have been more polite. After all, these people have been led astray by their "feelings" in the first place. They blatantly disregard the facts as well as the feelings of others. Couching the facts in pleasantries will not bring them to their collective senses. (Should that be plural in this case?)

Consider this thread. Gravy, delphi, Pardalis, kookbreaker and many others too numerous to mention have dealt with the loosers in a calm, collected manner for a long time after I had written them off in my own mind. Superhuman patience, in my opinion. Yet the response has never been to examine the evidence. It's evade and "ask questions". These people don't deserve a professional response. All they deserve is dismissal.
 
Hutch said:
Somebody on the Skeptics Forum asked about the purpose of said Forum. And geez, I just had to go open my big mouth...


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5603&st=0&#entry5060356

If The quest sees it, I'm gonna get banned again...
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DJLegacy2k1 is a lying sack of bovine excrement. Please, have him point to a single post I made that used an insult/slander/etc. I was suspended w/o reason or explanation; and he has the gall to claim he stood up for people? :mad:
 
kookbreaker said:
Indeed. I got only so far before my eyes rolled completely back into their sockets. First they post shots of a fire at night. then compare it to a photos and films of fires shot during the day. Can you say 'invalid comparison'?

Then after Gravy's comment about 90%+ of the plane being recovered they reply with 'Is that of the quality of recovered plane at the Pentagon'. Classic begging the question. Let's attack a valid premise using an unsupported assumption.

I gave up looking after that. But they really are not very good at this.
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What do you expect ? Considering how poor their judgment is already, is it any wonder their ability to debate is non-existent, even when they do it at their leisure in TEXT format and in their own time ?
 
Huntsman said:
Ah, so that's you?

St. Louis, are you at HRC, by any chance?

By the way, if you need a straight man over there, I'm registered now. Although I can only get posted from a government system one weekend a month :). This coming weekend I'll be at drill, though.
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No I work for the VAMC as a computer specialist in medical imaging, ie Radiology, Nuclear Medicine....

I'm not sure what I want to do over I just thought I would do something and see how they reacted to the truth.
 
CptColumbo said:
Let me take this opportunity to thank all those who have posted on this and the previous thread. You have forced me to look more deeply into the events of 9/11, and have armed me with information I need if I ever encounter a CTist (although I have only encountered them on the internet, which may explain a lot). I have been flexing my investigative journalism muscles again, and started to visit the public library after a long absense. It's inspired me to work on other writing projects that I abandoned long ago (i.e. a screenplay about the presidency of John Tyler). I had lost some of my passion for history over the last few years, but now I feel that old spark again.
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Good luck on the screenplay - if there's any way to throw in some explosions and CGI (but no nudity, God forbid!) and keep it PG-13 (maybe with Will Smith as Tyler), Universal might buy the rights.
 
Pardalis said:
If they are still alive, why in 5 years haven't they spoken out, made conferences, interviews? If I was wrongly accused of such acts, I wouldn't stay silent.
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They were all promised a free Frogurt.

Does anyone else get tired of hearing these idiots say "I draw the line at the MIHOP stuff, maaaaaan. I mean, there are lots of inconsistancies with the 9/11 Commission Report that are getting ignored 'cause of it, maaaaaaaaan."

WHAT inconsistancies?! It sounds like they want to believe Loose Change soooooooooooooo bad but they still have that last lingering thread of common sense and logic keeping them from crashing on the jagged rocks below. Every inconsistancy they blather about is just another CT fabrication, just in varying degrees of nuttiness.
 
Well I'm glad to see that the CTs Holy Trinity has their site back up and running after their little run-in with the Naudets.

Below is the promotion for LC2E that they have on the home page. Unfortunately for them, a friend of mine gave me the orignal unedited promo. (For some reason, all the stuff in bold was taken out.)

"Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most hysterically contrived, utterly baseless, and provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today.

This film shows how easily 3 wannabe bigshots who never got enough love from daddy can imply a direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government.

Evidence is derived from editing and carefully selecting news footage, compiling scientific fact from the planet Xanthon, and most important, cherry picking the quotes of Americans who suffered through that tragic day. (Oh, and we also mock those who actually died too! Total effing laugh riot!!)

IT IS EVERYONE'S duty TO **** THEIR PANTS LAUGHING WHEN THEY VIEW THIS FILM!

In honor of those who died that day.
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Hutch said:
Somebody on the Skeptics Forum asked about the purpose of said Forum. And geez, I just had to go open my big mouth...


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5603&st=0&#entry5060356

If The quest sees it, I'm gonna get banned again...
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Well, I hope henhouse from the LC forum wanders over here and evaluates the evidence himself/herself.

And to you Ninja Wave folks...I'm feeling left out, being a lowly government shill who's never posted at LC. I think I'm gonna join that Humor Revolution thingy, cause then I'll feel just a little more, ya know, special. Have you totally joined forces with them, or not? Cause I don't have time for the Humor thing if it doesn't get me closer to ninja wave status.

Is there a JREF government shill avatar?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I've discovered something interesting. Sometimes, when you bring up a valid point to the CTers, they resort to insults. Sometimes they change the subject. Sometimes they deny your evidence.
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Exactly. In one thread over there I used a basic priniciple of physics to prove a point. I got a lot of responses which consisted of insults and namecalling, but not one person could refute the point I made. Yet they still think that they shot down my argument. Amazing, isn't it?


In keeping with the Ninja theme I've updated my avatar.
Lil' Ninja Spaceman Rules!!!!

Steve S
 
That was great Hutch. They are lying through their teeth saying you only get banned for being disrupting. I got banned after posting just half a dozen times on a thread that was made in honor of my own blog for God's sake.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
DJLegacy2k1 is a lying sack of bovine excrement. Please, have him point to a single post I made that used an insult/slander/etc. I was suspended w/o reason or explanation; and he has the gall to claim he stood up for people? :mad:
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This pisses me off to no end. When I was there I had to put up with all sorts of BS, harassment, slander, and bad behavior. I never once acted badly and was even banned for awhile. Though to be honest I left there permanently on my own because I just couldn't stand that kind of crap.
 
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