Loose Change - Part II

[kookbreaker]

That argument always cracks me up. They are always quibbling over what percentage of wreckage and bodies were recovered from the crash site. Uhh... short of some other explanation of how it got there, wouldn't "any" percentage of wreckage and bodies prove the plane crashed there? You can't have it both ways, either the wreckage is there, or it isn't. Everything else is just details.

Its also another case of: Do you understand the difference:

1) Plane hitting ground.

2) Plane slamming into reenforced concrete building.

If you don't, can I push you into the ground, and then slam you into a brick wall to explain the difference?

 

[JamesB]

If you want to see a Looser get quiet really quickly ask them about the light poles, which were supposedly "laid there like they were pulled out of the ground". I have repeatedly asked them if they were left by the light pole fairy, but I have yet to receive a response.

 

[Hellbound]

Might be able to get some info, but I'd have to register over there.

I suppose it is time to test my l33t N1nj4 skills

Nope, no IP or email information is accessible. So I can't veirfy anything about exactly which government IP he is using.

And I refuse to do anything illegal to obtain the info. Just have to wait and see.

 

[Hellbound]

Its also another case of: Do you understand the difference:

1) Plane hitting ground.

2) Plane slamming into reenforced concrete building.

If you don't, can I push you into the ground, and then slam you into a brick wall to explain the difference?

Just to add to this, the latest analyses suggest that the left wing of the plane actually impacted with the ground just before or at the same time as the plane impacted the Pentagon. Pieces of the wing were found buried 2 feet into the ground.

 

[Orb]

Someone has asked for a skeptical analysis of this video. Anyone still have an account to reply? Looks like just a case of over-confidence to me, or taken out of context maybe? The CTer at the LC forum seems to imply that its proof that Bush rigged his election.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5609

 

[XXX]

Wow that's pathetic.

I wouldn't mind debunking the first guy.

Save some for me. I gotta get a piece of this.

 

[kookbreaker]

From that:


Say what?! I thought you specifically pointed out that the towers were bombed in 1993? Did you drop this in a later version or something?

Wait, further down he concedes the point:

Response: I can actually agree that the reason the DoD put the WTC in crosshairs is because it was attacked before. Strange that the dude didn't say anything about FEMA having the WTC in crosshairs.

WHAT IS THE FREAKING DIFFERENCE! BOTH ARE CONCERNING TERRORIST ATTACKS!!!

 

[Pardalis]

Someone has asked for a skeptical analysis of this video. Anyone still have an account to reply? Looks like just a case of over-confidence to me, or taken out of context maybe? The CTer at the LC forum seems to imply that its proof that Bush rigged his election.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5609

Is he saying "county" or "counting"?

 

[farrisjs]

"working for the GOV" Maybe he's just a postman.

"Thermite my not be the answer, I'm currently working on a PET Fusion Scanner."
Maybe that part of his post has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracies and he's really working on a PET Fusion Scanner at the time he wrote this. You know like:

"I think the government is corrupt, I'm eating a delicious ostrich egg." LOL

Every thing I posted was true, I just wanted to see how they would take it.

I am a proud memeber of JREF and I work for the FED Gov.

 

[Shrinker]

Someone has asked for a skeptical analysis of this video. Anyone still have an account to reply? Looks like just a case of over-confidence to me, or taken out of context maybe? The CTer at the LC forum seems to imply that its proof that Bush rigged his election.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5609

Aha, the first rule of conspiracy: always be sure to tell the press exactly what you're up to. Even if they don't ask.

 

[Hellbound]

Every thing I posted was true, I just wanted to see how they would take it.

I am a proud memeber of JREF and I work for the FED Gov.

Ah, so that's you?

St. Louis, are you at HRC, by any chance?

By the way, if you need a straight man over there, I'm registered now. Although I can only get posted from a government system one weekend a month . This coming weekend I'll be at drill, though.

 

[juryjone]

back from the shadows again....
Welcome to the "....Reservation and Cobalt testing Range"

What reservation was that?

That would be the "Stinking Water National Indian Reservation and Cobalt Testing Range".

Sorry for the derail. Back to the magical lightpoles and misunderstood crosshairs....

 

[kookbreaker]

Every thing I posted was true, I just wanted to see how they would take it.

I am a proud memeber of JREF and I work for the FED Gov.

You Magnificent B*stard!

 

[Orb]

Is he saying "county" or "counting"?

You know, it does sound a bit like county. Hard to tell from that short clip. At worst it just looks like he's being a bit cocky.

 

[Hutch]

Every thing I posted was true, I just wanted to see how they would take it.

I am a proud memeber of JREF and I work for the FED Gov.

Ah, so Gov = farrisjs?

And as for the PET Fusion, it is an actual device: http://www.fwradiology.com/pet.htm which increased my sum total of knowledge about the universe by abour 3/4 of a iota..

St. Louis and US GOV? Goodfellow Blvd.? (was in ATCOM)

 

[Pardalis]

Every thing I posted was true, I just wanted to see how they would take it.

I am a proud memeber of JREF and I work for the FED Gov.

Wow, you really got us going there! LOL

That last comment about the PET scanner came so much out of left field, I'm surprised none of the LC posters noticed it!

 

[Walk The Line]

The "debunking" of Gravy's debunking makes for good comedy:

The dude(Gravy): I have yet to come across a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who DID NOT use this quote as "evidence" that the terrorist attacks were an "inside job" by the neo-cons in the U.S. government. However, the PNAC quote is about the typically slow growth of military technology, abetted by budget cuts in defense R&D. It is in no way a plan or suggestion for a "new Pearl Harbor."

Response: PNAC saying that they needed a new pearl harbour is quite telling, and if it was what they needed, is it not possible that they made it happen? Or was it merely coincidence that the new pearl harbour arrived a few months later?

Currently the History Channel is running a serious of shows on "Mega-Disasters" that could happen here in the United States. Using CT logic, this means that should any of these Mega-Disaster's actually happen, the History Channel is obviously responsible. After all, if governments kill their own citizens, why shouldn't CT's believe that TV shows will kill their own viewers?

It's all perfectly reasonable to the CT.

 

[dubfan]

Some recent attempts:
http://911matrix.blogspot.com/
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14065
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14165

Prediction:

Several "debunkings" (and I use that term with all the derision I can muster with two ASCII quotation symbols) will soon appear that attempt to rebut Gravy's work. A common pattern will emerge: these "debunkings" will tend to ignore all of the factual content of Gravy's piece and will instead focus on his use of sarcasm, editorial comment, and lack of attribution in spots. They will conclude that Gravy is guilty of the same crimes that Loose Change is, therefore, his Viewer's Guide can be safely ignored.

 

[Pardalis]

You know, "the Dude" is really how I imagine Gravy to be like.

 

[CptColumbo]

"The Dude abides."