Loose Change - Part II

[Pardalis]

Here is the link I was given
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/18828res20050126.html
Since I have been warned not to quote articles.

They seem to be trying real hard not to let her story come out.

oh well I guess I am still not allowed to post links.....nor quote without sourcing.......

You can quote articles. But not in their entirety and you have to post a link to it. That's all.

Excuse me if I was surprised at your post, it just seemed to have come out of the blue. Please specify what you want to add to the conversation with Sibel Edmonds' case and we'll gladly talk about it.

 

[SBrown]

You can quote articles. But not in their entirety and you have to post a link to it. That's all.

Excuse me if I was surprised at your post, it just seemed to have come out of the blue. Please specify what you want to add to the conversation with Sibel Edmonds' case and we'll gladly talk about it.

I couldn't provide links before. I think while editing I messed that one up.

I am trying to get help on debating I have been doing on a different forum. I have come here a few times asking questions and get nothing but a run around. I understand it is not your job to answer, nor is this just a general 911 thread, but it seems to get a lot of traffic.

 

[RandFan]

SBrown,

I'm sorry if I'm brusk with you. It's just that I hope that those who post here would make an attempt to understand what it is that they are posting and why.

Are you the same poster as sylvia brown?

 

[RandFan]

I couldn't provide links before. I think while editing I messed that one up.

I am trying to get help on debating I have been doing on a different forum. I have come here a few times asking questions and get nothing but a run around. I understand it is not your job to answer, nor is this just a general 911 thread, but it seems to get a lot of traffic.

Hey, we are here to help. Tell us what you think Sibel Edmonds proves or indicates or what relevance you think she has to 9/11 and we will help you out. Hell, I'll make an argument for you but I can't help if I have no idea what it is supposed to mean.

 

[Pardalis]

I am trying to get help on debating I have been doing on a different forum. I have come here a few times asking questions and get nothing but a run around. I understand it is not your job to answer, nor is this just a general 911 thread, but it seems to get a lot of traffic.

Understood. You have to understand that posting a question unrelated to the topic and leaving it out in the open without commenting on it is confusing.

 

[Gravy]

I couldn't provide links before. I think while editing I messed that one up.

I am trying to get help on debating I have been doing on a different forum. I have come here a few times asking questions and get nothing but a run around. I understand it is not your job to answer, nor is this just a general 911 thread, but it seems to get a lot of traffic.

Please point out where you got "nothing but a run around."

... Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Pardalis]

While we wait for SBrown's response, I found this only post of this thread that mentions Edmonds:

This gets to the larger context that the CTs are operating within -- i.e., LC is SO BAD that some 9/11 CTs think it is disinformation. There are other 9/11 CTs that are marginally more reality-based (the LIHOP proponents) and make a bigger deal out of both Able Danger and Sibel Edmonds.

Correct me if I'm wrong Dubfan, but you weren't accusing Edmonds of being a fraud, but mearely indicating that these are the things the more rational CTs are focusing on.

 

[Gravy]

I made a post about Sibel Edmonds a while back: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1612096&postcount=2298

 

[Pardalis]

Why did she leave? Is this "post and run"?

 

[RandFan]

I made a post about Sibel Edmonds a while back: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1612096&postcount=2298

Thanks Gravy. I agree with your analysis. It would seem the problems that were there then are still there btw.

 

[Pardalis]

Is this "post and run"?

It resembles geggy's "post a link and run" routine.

 

[Pardalis]

Wich reminds me, why aren't there more LC enthousiasts coming here? If they are 100% sure of what they are saying (wich is much more certainty than I will ever have about anything), what are they afraid of?

 

[Gravy]

Wich reminds me, why aren't there more LC enthousiasts coming here? If they are 100% sure of what they are saying (wich is much more certainty than I will ever have about anything), what are they afraid of?

They are afraid of the troof.

The ninja masks probably aren't helping either.

ETA: and they must find our smilies disappointing.

 

[MarkyX]

Send it to me in a PM and I'll post it.

Sent

 

[RandFan]

The following are links from MarkyX. I assume the "X" stands for Mark.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/ - My SCL homepage

http://www.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm - How stuff works, building implosion

http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/clifton.pdf - PDF article by a structual engineer.

Good links BTW. Thanks.

 

[RandFan]

MarkyX, what is the relationship between you and gravy? Did you get your information directly from him or him from you?

ETA: Never mind. I see that you have a link in your blog to Gravy's page. Cool.

 

[sat556]

The ninja masks probably aren't helping either.

Actually I'm finding all that quite sexy.



ETA. MarkyX. Fantastic job. The films made me very upset, made me laugh at how silly the CTers are, yet mad at the same time. Unlike LC, which just made me want to vomit.

 

[Kent1]

Ha! What a moron that guy is. My first reaction was, "jeez, wouldn't it be nice to have someone to debate who is smart enough to know that the north tower "spire" isn't part of the core? (Jeff King thinks it is part of the core.) That's Christophera country."

On the home page of his website, he both touts that incredibly piece of moonbat paranoia by Richard Allen Grove, and shows that he (King) agrees with Grove that the WTC began construction in 1971. Liike Dylan Avery, he's been "researching" this stuff for years. Ugh.

He also apparently big on the idea that the U.S. government controls the weather.

The problem with debating these people is that anyone dumb enough to debate us isn't going to be able to last in the debate, and people who it would be fun to debate (Steven E. Jones, David Ray Griffin et al.) are smart enough that they would never agree to a debate.

edited: spelling

It gets better

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5527

 

[RandFan]

Following one of MarkyX's links we find the following

Ask The Pilot
If you haven't been paying attention, cyberspace is awash with claims that the 2001 attacks were an inside job. The specific assertions are too numerous and complicated to list here exhaustively. They vary site to site, overlapping, underscoring, complementing and contradicting one another to the point of madness.

This is such a great paragraph. This was exactly my thoughts. That anything and everything that even remotely seemed to prove conspiracy was thrown into the mix. The "truth movement" is making no efforts, as far as I can tell, to create any coherent hypothesis. "We're only asking questions". Yeah? Well get back to me when you've got something more than questions.

 

[MarkyX]

MarkyX, what is the relationship between you and gravy? Did you get your information directly from him or him from you?

ETA: Never mind. I see that you have a link in your blog to Gravy's page. Cool.

Yeah, I tried asking him permission about it but never got a reply

I feel really bad though because some people are thinking it's my work when it isn't, and I pointed them to the proper places when they did via email. I just wanted to act now because they made that final cut announcement, and since it's only a few months away from Sept 11, something needed to be done.

I only made this video not only to discredit loose change, but to get the ball rolling on perhaps other projects made by the people who are sick of this constant anal rape of the 9/11 victims.