Loose Change - Part II

[dubfan]

Yeah I originally used that video in another argument about structural collapse, but I figured I'd go for a much simpler one about timing instead, because it was something I could show and it's hard to argue with.

Unless of course the charges were outside the building! Jinkies! I think I'm onto something...

I think Dr. Greening owns the timing-of-the-collapse question, at least from the literature I've read so far. You can find his work at Mike Williams' site, www.911myths.com: http://911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html. He's looked at the issue form both theoretical and empirical angles, and I think his arguments are persuasive.

 

[RandFan]

Can't really post links yet, but I've updated my video home page with many more sources, including HowStuffWorks on demolitions, an article on the WTC collapse by a structual engineer, plus much more.

Send it to me in a PM and I'll post it.

 

[Belz...]

Dylan: I'm not doing anything extraordinary, I'm just doing my job as an American.

Interviewer: Well, that's what all great geniuses say.

Wow! All yo have to do to be a genius is to do your job as an American! Or is it the other way around ? The job of every American is to be a genius ??

I'm confused...

 

[ktesibios]

Then I guess you understand what 60hz-Xtl is, I asked, as I picked up my Schoepps and went to work for the day. . .

Pilot tone! AAAIIIIIEEEEE!!! (runs screaming to find a crucifix and some garlic)

My background is in studio recording and sound reinforcement, but I've done enough VAPP work to have a finely-tuned appreciation of the joys of syncing sound to picture. How else could I have become the pathetic broken shell you see before you?

Turning back to the supposed "demolition" videos, it turns out that what you need to play the video from the mediumrecords site with audio is an AC3 decoder. I found one here:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ac3filter/ac3filter_0_70b.exe?download

which allows my Windows Media Player to play the video with sound.

The video from mediumrecords and the video from terrorize.dk, which he references as a source, seem to be identical. The files are exactly the same size and they look and sound the same.

This implies that the cat at mediumrecords is naively using hi-tech toys to "analyze" something that he doesn't know is pure hokum. If he had taken a few minutes to Google around for other sources- or had used his ears instead of his disordered mind- he could have avoided wasting his time on a hoax.

One thing i'll say about the original hoaxter, whoever it might be- he might not have a clue about what he was trying to fake, but he's closing in on the '80s snare sound. That'll come in handy if hair bands ever come back.

 

[Polaris]

I would think that an "alternate" media source that takes the subject of copyright infringement very seriously would be a wake-up call to the Loosers Changers, but somehow I suspect that this will be branded as disinformation.

Did Wingnut TV get permission from Buffalo Springfield to use "For What It's Worth"? And isn't that New World Order logo from the WWE? (Or is it WCW?)

 

[Pardalis]

Can I just check something here? In this video

Yet we hear no explosions in this video either.

 

[Pardalis]

Photos from the Nutjob City Limits here http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5505&view=findpost&p=5016163

See the troof in action!

Or, in Dylan Avery's case, see actionable "truth."

These look like a happy bunch enjoying themselves like in a garden party, considering the gravity of what they are saying.

They don't look like people worried about their government being mass murderers on their own people.

 

[SBrown]

Is Sibel Edmonds a fraud? Does anyone have any information to discredit her as having inside knowledge? Do you think she may be doing this for publicity? Do you think she may be a double agent?

I think she must be discredited completely because this looks very bad to have someone risk jail and a career to perpetuate a hoax. So she must be working for some other government then. She is from Turkey right? Maybe she is a plant that made it high in government work? I have heard of the old Soviets doing this back in the height of the cold war. How could we find out who she is really working for?

 

[RandFan]

Is Sibel Edmonds a fraud? Does anyone have any information to discredit her as having inside knowledge? Do you think she may be doing this for publicity? Do you think she may be a double agent?

I think she must be discredited completely because this looks very bad to have someone risk jail and a career to perpetuate a hoax. So she must be working for some other government then. She is from Turkey right? Maybe she is a plant that made it high in government work? I have heard of the old Soviets doing this back in the height of the cold war. How could we find out who she is really working for?

Assuming that Sibel Edmond's is telling the truth (I have no reason to believe that she isn't) what do you think her allegations prove?

 

[Pardalis]

Is Sibel Edmonds a fraud? Does anyone have any information to discredit her as having inside knowledge? Do you think she may be doing this for publicity? Do you think she may be a double agent?

I think she must be discredited completely because this looks very bad to have someone risk jail and a career to perpetuate a hoax. So she must be working for some other government then. She is from Turkey right? Maybe she is a plant that made it high in government work? I have heard of the old Soviets doing this back in the height of the cold war. How could we find out who she is really working for?

What are you talking about? Who said she was a fraud?

ETA: And what does it have to do with Loose Change?

 

[SBrown]

What are you talking about? Who said she was a fraud?

Did you read the first line in my post.......at all?

 

[Pardalis]

Did you read the first line in my post.......at all?

Did you read the last one in mine?

"What does it have to do with Loose Change?"

 

[RandFan]

Did you read the first line in my post.......at all?

Could you please answer my question?

Assuming that Sibel Edmond's is telling the truth (I have no reason to believe that she isn't) what do you think her allegations prove?

 

[SBrown]

Did you read the last one in mine?

"What does it have to do with Loose Change?"

No I didn't because you added it after I replied, so how in the name of hell was I suppose to read it?

 

[RandFan]

Hello? SBrown? Hello? Are you there?

 

[SBrown]

Could you please answer my question?

It shows prior knowledge by the FBI and shows signs of a cover-up.

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Hello? SBrown? Hello? Are you there?

Are you always this impatient?

 

[Pardalis]

No I didn't because you added it after I replied, so how in the name of hell was I suppose to read it?

Right, sorry. Why are you bringing this up anyway?

 

[RandFan]

It shows prior knowledge by the FBI and shows signs of a cover-up.

Shows prior knowledge of what? Cover up of what?

Could you demonstrate this?

 

[SBrown]

Shows prior knowledge of what? Cover up of what?

Could you demonstrate this?

Here is the link I was given
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/18828res20050126.html
Since I have been warned not to quote articles.

They seem to be trying real hard not to let her story come out.

oh well I guess I am still not allowed to post links.....nor quote without sourcing.......

 

[RandFan]

Here is the link I was given

Since I have been warned not to quote articles.

They seem to be trying real hard not to let her story come out.

I googled and found the link from the start. http://www.justacitizen.com/ I have already read the link.

Look, what the hell do YOU think was covered up? Come on, this is a skeptics forum. We don't do wink wink nudge nudge. Come out and say directly what you think this means. I've read the website and I don't find anything significant that would cause me to think that it has any relevance to this thread.

http://www.justacitizen.com/