Loose Change - Part II

[sleahead]

I've just been looking through the list of speakers at the Chicago "Truth" Conference. The usual suspects are there, but among the others this one stands out as a real winner:

Joyce Lynn

Journalist, Dream Guidance Teacher

Joyce's paradigm for social change: Information, Intuition, Imagination, synthesized from her experience, research, and inner guidance. She was a political reporter in Washington, D.C. for eight years. Shortly after moving to the San Francisco Bay Area, she remembered her first dream, which gave the ending for a screenplay she was writing. Later, her dreams and those of others imparted insights into the stolen 2000 presidential election and then tips that 9/11 was an inside job. As a result, dreams have guided her reporting about health, self-expression, and politics. She gave presentations on the 9/11 Cover-up Commission at the San Francisco and Toronto Citizen's Inquiries. Joyce offers tutorials and classes on using dream wisdom for social change.

I wonder if any of the Loosers will be signing up for her $200 online course?

 

[Gravy]

...tight slope above threshold, fast attack and relatively slow release times- when confronted by the pressure waves from explosions.

ktesibios, have you been reading my secret diary?

That's a helluvanalysis. I'm very impressed, even if I don't understand most of it. Every day I feel privileged to almost know people on this forum.

 

[Belz...]

ktesibios, have you been reading my secret diary?

That's a helluvanalysis. I'm very impressed, even if I don't understand most of it. Every day I feel privileged to almost know people on this forum.

We love you too, Gravy.

 

[WildCat]

I've just been looking through the list of speakers at the Chicago "Truth" Conference. The usual suspects are there, but among the others this one stands out as a real winner:




I wonder if any of the Loosers will be signing up for her $200 online course?

The whole conference is full of nutjob "experts" like her. Oh how I wish they would have done a public demonstration downtown, rather than at a hotel in Rosemont (which is a town next to O'Hare Airport) so I could confront their nonsense in person. Then again, there won't be any chance of the general public noticing them out there so that is a good thing.

 

[Gravy]

Photos from the Nutjob City Limits here http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5505&view=findpost&p=5016163

See the troof in action!

Or, in Dylan Avery's case, see actionable "truth."

 

[60hzxtl]

They're just the observations of an old sound man; take 'em for whatever you think they're worth.

Then I guess you understand what 60hz-Xtl is, I asked, as I picked up my Schoepps and went to work for the day. . .

 

[WildCat]

Photos from the Nutjob City Limits here http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5505&view=findpost&p=5016163

See the troof in action!

Or, in Dylan Avery's case, see actionable "truth."

Huh, they did have a little (and I mean little!) march downtown at the Daley Center. Doesn't appear many people noticed though! Maybe they don't realize most people are at their jobs on a friday afternoon. The local news didn't mention them at all, obviously they're part of the cover-up.

It also seems there were about as many speakers as attendees at the TRUTH conference.

 

[WildCat]

Then I guess you understand what 60hz-Xtl is, I asked, as I picked up my Schoepps and went to work for the day. . .

Oooh, Schoeps, now that's a fancy mic!

 

[60hzxtl]

Huh, they did have a little (and I mean little!) march downtown at the Daley Center. Doesn't appear many people noticed though! Maybe they don't realize most people are at their jobs on a friday afternoon. The local news didn't mention them at all, obviously they're part of the cover-up.

It also seems there were about as many speakers as attendees at the TRUTH conference.

I'll still spring for a ream of brown paper bags for the next NY demonstration, and pop one every few mintutes, and announce : "Sounds like an explosion to me!"


Ooops where'd that extra "p' come from in my Schoeps! Last thing I want is popping p's

 

[WildCat]

Ooops where'd that extra "p' come from in my Schoeps! Last thing I want is popping p's

Those aren't pops, it's explosions from the squibs going off!

 

[Gravy]

If you're feeling low today and need a little pick-me-up, I highly recommend going to this site, scrolling down to the May 17 interview with Dylan Avery, and listening for the first 6 minutes, if you can make it that far.

The site is "Beyond the Ordinary," the webcast branch of of J.Z. Knight's woo empire. Knight makes her living "channeling" the 35,000 year-old Atlantean warrior "Ramtha." She also produced the wooflick of a couple of years ago, "What the Bleep Do We Know?" J.Z. and Ramtha do not participate in the show, but the interplay between the superwoo interviewer and the supercrank Avery is magical in its own right.

"Beyond the Ordinary" featured interviews with "Loose Change" creators on three consecutive weeks. Prior to the first show, I had a lengthy email exchange with the show's producer in which I laid out the many reasons that "Loose Change" was not compatible with the "enlightenment" ideals of the J.Z. Knight enterprise.

She should have listened to me.

p.s. "Kleiner's Korner" is a newsletter associated with the above site. It promoted "LC," then people started listening to the interviews, then the Naudet action happened, then this:

Kleiner's Korner For Week of June 5, 2006
Obviously, the swirl surrounding Loose Change garnered a lot of mail and Kleiner’s Korner “unsubscribes” this week.

 

[juryjone]

If you're feeling low today and need a little pick-me-up, I highly recommend going to this site, scrolling down to the May 17 interview with Dylan Avery, and listening for the first 6 minutes, if you can make it that far.

Well, I managed to get through six minutes of this sycophantic garbage before encoutering the quote that certainly "picked me up" enough to hit the stop button and try to calm my roiling stomach.

Dylan: I'm not doing anything extraordinary, I'm just doing my job as an American.

Interviewer: Well, that's what all great geniuses say.

All bow down to the genius that is DYLAN AVERY!!!

 

[Gravy]

...No one calls him a genius here:

Excerpts from Wing TV May 30: Naudet Brothers action vs. Dylan Avery. Victor Thorn & Lisa Giuliani, presenters.

V: Here is where Dylan Avery made his first mistake. In various interviews that we've heard, he's bragging about how many copies of "Loose Change" they've sold. And a number that's bandied about is approximately 50,000 copies. Now, he's selling them on his site for $17, there's other sites like Dave von Kleist that are selling them for $20. So if we say 17 bucks a pop, and he's sold 50,000 copies, that's up above $800,000 in revenue. Now, if they put the same footage out and they sold 25 copies, the Naudet Brothers and Paramount Studios wouldn't be suing them. But Dylan had to brag about how many he was selling, and all of a sudden this was on the cover of USA Today, the front page, maybe a month ago, and the Naudet Brothers are saying, 'Wait a minute, they're generating close to a million bucks'...

[About the LC forum members]

V: These kids are so naive, that Lisa was calling them the "diaper babies," and I think that's a perfect word, because here they are [the Naudets and Paramount], already pissed off that their footage is being used without being reimbursed at all, so we're gonna get a bunch of diaper babies to incite 'em more and start swearing at 'em, being all hot-headed. It's unbelievable.

L: And then Phil Jayhan, "Commander Pod," had to relate an idea from his so-called friend that the Naudet brothers don't even really exist. (Sarcastically) I think they exist.

V: Yeah, so here we go, this is kinda like the 'no-planers' who say that no planes hit the towers, it's just a hologram...

L: You know why they say that? Because no one's seen anything of them [the Naudets] since the footage came out."

V: Yeah, so it's like bluescreen technology or whatever, so the Naudet brothers don't even exist, they're just a hologram.

L: There was one person on Dylan's forum who was making valid points. A person who has worked in television and was trying to explain to everyone in the forum that you need proper releases from every person you're going to use on the footage. TV stations have gotten into all kinds of legal issues, even over people who signed the release, taking them to court. And he was trying to explain how that whole system works, and nobody would listen to him, and Dylan was actually present on that thread exchange, and I was sitting there watching it, and they banned the guy. They banned the guy for making valid points.

V: Yeah, now this is the Truth Movement. This is a movement that advocates, supposedly, freedom of speech. You know how many of these little chat rooms ban people when they say something that they don't agree with? Here was a guy who was saying, 'Look, I'm in TV. I'm not a little diaper baby like you 20-year-olds.'

L: We urge Dylan to stop listening to these people around you–

V: –These diaper babies that are 20-year-olds that don't know a damn thing about anything in the world.

edited for bolding

 

[realitybites]

Ok, I'm two and a half minutes into this interview and to be honest, I get the impression Avery is more bored with it than I am. Granted he's being asked questions at a staggering one word per minute rate, but for someone who's supposedly so avid about the "truth" he's spreading, one would think he could muster a little more than a "mhm" in response.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Can I just check something here? In this video

I make the start of collapse to occur at 16 seconds in, and then 9 seconds later, at 25 seconds in, you can still see part of the tower (it's easier to see at 24 seconds in just before the dust gets in the way) ie, the tower takes over 9 seconds to fall. I'm posing it as a question to the CTs on Loose change as to whether they measured the time themselves, or just took Loose Change's word for it.

Can anyone argue that my timing on the collapse is wrong?

 

[realitybites]

Johnny, my issue isn't with your timing, it's with the fact that apparently we now live in a world where controlled demlotion charges actually suck the structure inward. I'm sure people have posted on this before, but if you pause it at the 00:16 second mark, it's clear as day that the perimeter columns bend in towards the core.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Johnny, my issue isn't with your timing, it's with the fact that apparently we now live in a world where controlled demlotion charges actually suck the structure inward. I'm sure people have posted on this before, but if you pause it at the 00:16 second mark, it's clear as day that the perimeter columns bend in towards the core.

Yeah I originally used that video in another argument about structural collapse, but I figured I'd go for a much simpler one about timing instead, because it was something I could show and it's hard to argue with.

Unless of course the charges were outside the building! Jinkies! I think I'm onto something...

 

[Walk The Line]

...No one calls him a genius here:

Excerpts from Wing TV May 30: Naudet Brothers action vs. Dylan Avery. Victor Thorn & Lisa Giuliani, presenters.

I would think that an "alternate" media source that takes the subject of copyright infringement very seriously would be a wake-up call to the Loosers Changers, but somehow I suspect that this will be branded as disinformation.

 

[MarkyX]

Can't really post links yet, but I've updated my video home page with many more sources, including HowStuffWorks on demolitions, an article on the WTC collapse by a structual engineer, plus much more.

 

[realitybites]

Apparently you're not aware of the new hovering stealth explosive technology that's been recently developed by the military.

They work just like you'd imagine - they hover, invisible, around the perimiter of structures they wish to bring down for the sole purpose of giving people with an IQ in the teens something to talk about.