Loose Change - Part II

[dubfan]

If Gore would have won the presidency instead of Bush would the losers still be pursuing this? There seems to be a lot of consipatorial references to the Bush regime as a whole. Dont want to detract from the topic at hand but this has occured to me. What's your view on that?

There would've been 9/11 CTs no matter what, IMO.

What I think has happened with respect to Bush, is that the very polarized nature of politics right now has made this CT particularly virulent, because it is attracting people who despise Bush and basically believe any sort of bad charge thrown against him. The soil is fertile -- partly because of the Bush admin's own actions -- and there are people desperately eager to believe it (because believing Bush is actually acting in good faith makes many of them very uncomfortable indeed).

I think we're in a "perfect storm" environment for a conspiracy theory:

1. Arguably the most publicized event in modern history
2. Lots of material available on it -- video, testimony, reports, etc.
3. Very strong emotional context and emotional reactions on all sides
4. A contested election, divisive politics, an unpopular war
5. An administration characterized by secrecy, deeply mistrusted by many
6. Technology -- popularity of internet video, viral marketing, Google, availability of cheap video production software

In other words, this is basically Glenn Reynolds' "Army of Davids" phenomenon being acted out pathologically.

 

[Belz...]

It is much better than my french.

Three years of High School French, and all I can do is ask how Jean-Paul is.

I learned English by watching television. Mainly Star Trek. Go figure.

 

[Belz...]

Hello all.

Welcome, welcome, good sir. Step forward and marvel at our show!!

Only thing he left out was "I'd like to imagine there is a conspiracy" which pretty much wraps it all up.

Yeah, that did it for me, too.

I thought about posting on the loser change site but I'd get banned anyway so what's the point really.

Making yourself heard. These guys keep talking about freedom. Make sure you show them freedom of speech.

 

[Brainster]

Yes, but the Oneonta address is from the lawyers. They know the principle address; where the person lives in order to serve him.

All I did was go to "like, hey man Dylan's" site and look at it - he was dumb enough to put it up there unredactid.

That's probably the address of LTW's statutory agent (usually a lawyer), assuming that they actually went to the time and expense of incorporation.

 

[60hzxtl]

That's probably the address of LTW's statutory agent (usually a lawyer), assuming that they actually went to the time and expense of incorporation.

Remember what I said about a clever person finding this?

All I did was plug the zip code + Avery into whitepages on line.

Pretty good! Has a phone number too. Didn't need the patriot act.

Took about 12 secs.

See? 'like. hey man Dylan" is right - he is on a list somewhere!

 

[ZouPrime]

I learned English by watching television. Mainly Star Trek. Go figure.

Heh. I did the exact same thing. I watched ST:TNG on american channels, one hour a night for years. Ah, the memories...

 

[Belz...]

Heh. I did the exact same thing. I watched ST:TNG on american channels, one hour a night for years. Ah, the memories...

Make it so.

 

[Belz...]

See? 'like. hey man Dylan" is right - he is on a list somewhere!

Why in blazes do you call him that ? Personally, I'd call him "I, mean, Dylan" or something.

 

[dubfan]

"An hour long smorgasbord of content from Louder Than Words"

Dylan's comments:

Just wanted to bump chipmunk's post here...surprised there wasn't more comment on it. This seems to be a preview of what's coming in LC3. Dylan's disclaiming that of course, but it shows the direction I think they're headed -- more eyewitness accounts, more interviews with people, and avoiding the more obvious manipulations that got him into such trouble with Gravy. He is also steadfastly repeating the same lies that have been debunked here over and over and over again ("molten steel" supposedly causing the collapse, AA77 disappearing into an opening merely 16ft wide, etc.)

 

[delphi_ote]

Just wanted to bump chipmunk's post here...surprised there wasn't more comment on it. This seems to be a preview of what's coming in LC3. Dylan's disclaiming that of course, but it shows the direction I think they're headed -- more eyewitness accounts, more interviews with people, and avoiding the more obvious manipulations that got him into such trouble with Gravy. He is also steadfastly repeating the same lies that have been debunked here over and over and over again ("molten steel" supposedly causing the collapse, AA77 disappearing into an opening merely 16ft wide, etc.)

From the video (13:10 in) "There's a lot of this information that has been suppressed by the American public."

WE'RE ALL A PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!


ETA Look how cocky he is in that section. That's definitely a weak spot for this movement. Being humble and gracious at any event where we're trying to counter them would go a long way toward winning people over. Watch how he acts around that lady. If you came up to her and confirmed her skepticism with facts, I think she'd be relieved and happy to talk more. Gravy, what was your experience with such things?

 

[Hutch]

From over at Loose Change (skeptics subforum, I'll try and get the link)

quoted from jenabell:

As for my target.....it is you , I believe you are from JREF, I believe you post there on a regular basis, and I believe you are one of the many that have come here as team JREF ninja wave. All you guys are way to obsessed, give it a rest now soldier.

bolding and italics mine.

Isn't Team JREF Ninja Wave just the most wonderful thing you have ever heard? Sorta like the Mighty Morphim Power Rangers of Skepticism.

Just had to share that one.

ediited to add link--go to page 3: http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4970

 

[realitybites]

Whoever did the I Got Banned From The Loose Change Forum badge, could we maybe get one indicating "Proud Member of Team JREF Ninja Wave"?

I'd even buy a t-shirt that said something along those lines.

 

[bob_kark]

Just wanted to bump chipmunk's post here...surprised there wasn't more comment on it. This seems to be a preview of what's coming in LC3. Dylan's disclaiming that of course, but it shows the direction I think they're headed -- more eyewitness accounts, more interviews with people, and avoiding the more obvious manipulations that got him into such trouble with Gravy. He is also steadfastly repeating the same lies that have been debunked here over and over and over again ("molten steel" supposedly causing the collapse, AA77 disappearing into an opening merely 16ft wide, etc.)

I'm still laughing about the fact that the Milk Challenge: Attempt to drink one gallon of milk in one hour... (AND the sequels!) are somehow related to this film. I think I'll have to watch that when I'm done.

ETA: Is it just me or is the guy at the beginning of the film with the brown suit and glasses having a seizure or is it just me? His head starts moving around so fast, I expected it to fall off.

 

[chipmunk stew]

From over at Loose Change (skeptics subforum, I'll try and get the link)

quoted from jenabell:


bolding and italics mine.

Isn't Team JREF Ninja Wave just the most wonderful thing you have ever heard? Sorta like the Mighty Morphim Power Rangers of Skepticism.

Just had to share that one.

ediited to add link--go to page 3: http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4970

w00t! Time for a new title...

 

[Ramooone]

i love the claim that a jet didnt hit the WTC when on their own conspiracy websites it shows pics of the hull of the plane
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/photos/hullpiece.html

they love the scholars for 9/11 truth. look at this looneytoon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Petit

he's one of their scholars hahahaha

 

[delphi_ote]

If Gore would have won the presidency instead of Bush would the losers still be pursuing this? There seems to be a lot of consipatorial references to the Bush regime as a whole. Dont want to detract from the topic at hand but this has occured to me. What's your view on that?

I don't think it would matter. When you're writing fiction, it doesn't really matter which characters you use. The same exact nuts would have made the same exact films. The only reason this is gaining traction lately with more reasonable people is Bush's unpopularity. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the president. Mastermining the 9/11 attacks is not one of them.

And without getting into my political views I'm not a Bush fan or apologist so let me get that out of the way before I get attacked for being one.

Nor am I, but there are people in this thread from the left and right. We save our squabbles for the political section of the forum. Everyone can agree lying about what happened that day is wrong wrong wrong.

 

[delphi_ote]

Is it just me or is the guy at the beginning of the film with the brown suit and glasses having a seizure or is it just me? His head starts moving around so fast, I expected it to fall off.

What a great way to begin your film, guys. With a paranoid lunatic talking about being infiltrated from the inside and apparently having a seizure on camera. Really lends credibility to what's to come.

 

[azazal]

Quick and dirty, but had to be done

 

[bob_kark]

Quick and dirty, but had to be done

Oh, that's glorious!

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Looking through my notes, I realized I had never posted this. It's always nice to wake up spitting mad. I am going to do my very best to make an honest man out of this *^#$&*%%#%*&()&$)*&^$@@$%#$!$#@$^%$# called Dylan Avery.

The Edge AM – Daniel Ott interview with Dylan Avery May 13, 2006.
http://www.theedgeam.com/interviews/audiofiles.htm
Excerpts

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Good lord, I think my retinas just melted.

BTW, does anyone else find it rather extraordinary that they were able to identify the woman(?) in that picture as well as be able to determine that she had no first or second degree burns from being too close to a major fire?

If Avery trully believes his government is able and willing to kill 3,000 of its own citizens, then I guess his project to screen LC 3 to mainstream theatres is suicide.

If this was trully a nazi "police-state" as they believe, he'd be dead by now.

Actually, I think Dylan's right (for just once). It'd be too risky for the MIBs to kill him. But that doesn't mean that he can't be dealt with.

Just have a guy drop off a couple kilo bags of marijuana in his apartment while he's at one of his fancy moonbat screening parties and then have the cops waiting for him with a search warrant when he gets back.

Author of paranoid conspiracy theory busted for drug possesion... it would suprise no one. While he wouldn't "disappear" in the traditional X-Files sense, he would drop out of the public eye and be forgotten about while he does his ten years for trafficking. I mean come on, a liberal minded New Yorker in his early 20s? He probably has enough ganja in his appartment as it is to make planting extra stuff redundant.

Or better yet, the conspirators could arrange for Dylan to recieve a grant for LC3 from what turns out under investigation to be a front company for the Bin Ladens or Hamas or Hizbollah.