Loose Change - Part II

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ZouPrime, is it me or is the anti-American sentiment in Montréal a little extreme? I mean, it's impossible to have an intelligent un-biased conversation with anyone about 9/11 or the war in Iraq whithout people ranting anti-american propaganda. I just avoid the topic altogether now, I'm so fed up.

Is it just me?

BTW welcome to the forum.

ETA: I just noticed you joined the forum in '01. I should have said: "welcome to this thread".:D
 
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Memory's going

delphi_ote said:
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
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I forgot...what was your question again? :D

We all remember stuff that's really important to us. The girl you went to coffee with didn't make a big enough impression on your mind, so you don't remember her. On the other hand, the obscure tidbit resonated.

It takes a while to remember some things. I've been married 11 years, and I still can't get my wife's relatives straight. And these are not battleaxes, but warm, supportive folks, who have given us great dinners and Christmas cards.
 
delphi_ote said:
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
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Because she was imaginary?

(Personally, when I was single I generally tended to remember the names of all my dates -- there really weren't all that many, so it wasn't hard to keep track.)
 
delphi_ote said:
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
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[bad southern accent] I feel you pain [end accent] Back in college, could I remember what I had just read in my calculus book? Hell no. Could I remember a rule I read in a game book two years earlier, not a problem.
 
Well he very politely mentions us, and at Screw Loose Change we give Gravy a plug every chance we get. Everyone builds off of the work of those that came before us.
 
azazal said:
[bad southern accent] I feel you pain [end accent] Back in college, could I remember what I had just read in my calculus book? Hell no. Could I remember a rule I read in a game book two years earlier, not a problem.
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Reminds me of when I was a kid I wanted to be a zoologist. I read so much about animal species that I still remember everything today. It's really of no use to me now, but I'm unbeatable at Scrabble.
 
From Gravy's transcript:

Dylan Avery: "People who attack my movie, they're not even attacking my movie, they're attacking me. There's this one, like, 50-page pdf file floating around out there, supposably [sic] debunking my entire movie, and the first three pages are basically just insulting me....These people have nothing to come back with., i mean, I'm giving you scientific, and, yo know, logic evidence, and these people are coming back with petty insults. I mean, think about that: I'm simply trying to ask honest questions of my government and why they're saying these things which obviously aren't true, and the best thing people can come up with is, 'Well, you're a stupid kid.'"

Daniel Ott: "That's not evidence."

Avery: "That's not evidence. That doesn't refute anything. It only makes my case stronger!"

Daniel Ott: "Yeah, sure does."
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I wonder who fellated Mr. Avery more: Mr. Ott, or Mr. Avery.

Avery: "I mean, you have Edna Cintron, which is actually the woman who is looking out the gash in the World Trade Center. I mean, this woman is standing there, I mean, she's just looking out the hole, and I mean, there's supposedly 2,000 degree inferno right behind her, and, I mean, she's able to stand here and look out this hole and wave for help. I mean, her clothes aren't on fire, I mean, her clothes aren't even singed from what we can see."
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I mean, it's like, y'know?
 
Pardalis said:
ZouPrime, is it me or is the anti-American sentiment in Montréal a little extreme? I mean, it's impossible to have an intelligent un-biased conversation with anyone about 9/11 or the war in Iraq whithout people ranting anti-american propaganda. I just avoid the topic altogether now, I'm so fed up.

Is it just me?

BTW welcome to the forum.

ETA: I just noticed you joined the forum in '01. I should have said: "welcome to this thread".:D
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Thanks for the welcome. Yeah, I've been a member for a while, but I mostly lurk (and read Randi weekly comments). I mostly post on the Internet Infidel website, and I've participated in plenty of 9/11 conspiracy discussions over there.

About anti-americanism in Montreal... I don't know if it's worst than elsewhere in Canada, but obviously Quebec is a pretty liberal place and with the way the right has been running the US for a while now anti-american sentiment has to be expected... I don't know either if it's really anti-american or only anti-Bush.

Regarding 9/11, I was pretty amazed a few years ago when I found out that many of my close friends (who I think are pretty intelligent otherwise) were seriously considering conspiracy theories regarding the US implication in the attack. Back then their reference was l'Effroyable Imposture from that french guy... I don't know anymore what their stance is on the topic , as I try to stay away from this kind of discussion as much as I can. It is very, very hard to have a good exchange "in real life" compared to a discussion board like this one, as you can't check and provide references. And people tend to react violently when to try to tell them they simply are wrong. People discuss 9/11 conspiracies like they discuss if the habs are going to make the playoff or not; it's just, you know, opinion, and they have all the same value.

Most of my friends are left-wingers, and I myself don't like Bush very much, but I have to admit that idiocy isn't constrained by political affiliations, and both the lefties and righties have their fair share of twits who are ready to believe anything as long as it confirms their original beliefs...
 
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Just wanted to bump chipmunk's post here...surprised there wasn't more comment on it. This seems to be a preview of what's coming in LC3. Dylan's disclaiming that of course, but it shows the direction I think they're headed -- more eyewitness accounts, more interviews with people, and avoiding the more obvious manipulations that got him into such trouble with Gravy. He is also steadfastly repeating the same lies that have been debunked here over and over and over again ("molten steel" supposedly causing the collapse, AA77 disappearing into an opening merely 16ft wide, etc.)
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I don't think he can really intend that to be anything really resembling the Final Cut--it's just stuff they're going to edit down and add to the 2nd Edition to make the final cut. I haven't got time to watch it all today, but I did skip ahead to the ending--Loose Change, Final Edition: American Theatres 9/11/06. GAH!

Also note that the Green Party Senate Candidate they interview, Sander Hicks, lost in the Green Primary. The guy's an absolute goof--watch him rock back and forth as he speaks. He cites Hopsicker, which is a huge red flag.
 
ZouPrime said:
Most of my friends are left-wingers, and I myself don't like Bush very much, but I have to admit that idiocy isn't constrained by political affiliations, and both the lefties and righties have their fair share of twits who are ready to believe anything as long as it confirms their original beliefs...
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And oddly, this 9/11 conspiracy group seems to have a smattering of both sides. The rhetoric is very strange. They've got the militia types that thought Oklahoma City was a government conspiracy siding with the hippies who alledge Skull and Bones members eat babies. They call Bush a Nazi and implicate the Jews in the same breath. :confused:
 
Nazis who are Jews at the same time

delphi_ote said:
And oddly, this 9/11 conspiracy group seems to have a smattering of both sides. The rhetoric is very strange. They've got the militia types that thought Oklahoma City was a government conspiracy siding with the hippies who alledge Skull and Bones members eat babies. They call Bush a Nazi and implicate the Jews in the same breath. :confused:
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Bear in mind that the Arabs have been doing that in their propaganda for many years, and increasingly so. Oddly enough, Western Holocaust deniers do the same thing...they claim Zionists supported Hitler and vice versa and that Hitler was pro-Jewish.

There's a really wacky web page called Iamthewitness.com that spouts much of this garbage, which leaves the intelligent reader with his or her jaw on the floor.

I can show other examples of this...Tom Metzger claiming that big corporations get their ideas from the Socialist Worker's Party, for example. There was a hilarious guy on The History Channel forums who went into 49 incarnations of the same name to say that Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers, and that capitalism funded and created Communism as part of a Jewish banker plot to rule the world. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on steroids. :boggled:
 
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