Loose Change - Part II

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Huh, there it is, pgs 113-115. You're right, I think my eyes must have just glossed over that (gold) nugget...

The crux of this part of Avery's CT hinges on what even he describes as a rumor!

From LC (via Gravy's butt-whooping) "Rumor has it that over $160 billion dollars in gold were stored in the World Trade Center."

And somehow the globalists whisked away all but 230 $million worth in under two hours, undetected? No one noticed a line of dumptrucks from WTC to Canada? Are there even enough dumptrucks in the NYC metro area to haul that much in that amount of time, even assuming some perfectly effiecient loading system?

Note: I'm just asking questions. ;)

Teleportation, man. TELEPORTATION!:eye-poppi
 
Huh, there it is, pgs 113-115. You're right, I think my eyes must have just glossed over that (gold) nugget...

The crux of this part of Avery's CT hinges on what even he describes as a rumor!

From LC (via Gravy's butt-whooping) "Rumor has it that over $160 billion dollars in gold were stored in the World Trade Center."

And somehow the globalists whisked away all but 230 $million worth in under two hours, undetected? No one noticed a line of dumptrucks from WTC to Canada? Are there even enough dumptrucks in the NYC metro area to haul that much in that amount of time, even assuming some perfectly effiecient loading system?

Note: I'm just asking questions. ;)
Oh, I did that calculation for fun a while ago. Trying to remember now. I believe it took about 60 18-wheelers to haul the $230 million of gold & silver (there was much more silver, something like 30,000 bars). So, they would have needed 43,560 trucks to haul the same proportions of $167 billion. But let's assume they were being very conservative with the distribution of the $230 million, and let's really overload our getaway trucks, and call it an even 20,000 18-wheelers.
 
Oh, I did that calculation for fun a while ago. Trying to remember now. I believe it took about 60 18-wheelers to haul the $230 million of gold & silver (there was much more silver, something like 30,000 bars). So, they would have needed 43,560 trucks to haul the same proportions of $167 billion. But let's assume they were being very conservative with the distribution of the $230 million, and let's really overload our getaway trucks, and call it an even 20,000 18-wheelers.

:D ... seems feasible...

Has anyone added 20,000 truckers to the list of people who must have been involved? Not to mention the workers that performed whatever method Avery thinks they used to load these trucks...
 
soup of the day

hundreds of billions in bouillon, why the owners of that Bullion

It's interesting the way he moves from bouillon to Bullion within the space of a few words. You may dismiss bouillon as a typo but, as I too believe he is mentally ill, he may actually mean bouillon. After all, the document dates from April and nobody has seen fit to correct it. Would the taking of $167 billion in stock cubes be a more feasible heist? As they often say over on LC, it's worth considering.
 
9/11 CT swill on the verge of destroying a family:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5267&view=findpost&p=4920665

Someone who still has an active account, please try talking some sense into this man before he loses his family and friends.
There's not a lot you can do about this type of person. Like any fundamentalist bleever, they have such a fragile sense of self that it is entirely subsumed into a single belief:
I even approached the subject by sending an 'old' girlfriend, my first love that still means the world to me even today, a copy of the video speech made my Professor David Ray Griffin (I consider it to be very well done, very professional, packed full of facts and things to consider on their own right) -- the response was sadly something similar to others I have received -- Don't send me such trash again, saying she didn't have the time or desire for such nonsense. That breaks my heart, let alone confuses the dickens out of me. I am starting to wonder what it was I ever saw in this person in the first place if she wouldn't (or couldn't) accept the TRUTH in what actually happened to us as a people, as a nation. I'm lost and I'm even more confused (as to 9/11 facts) and it goes way beyond what it was that any alledged terrorist may have done to us -- I'm lost and I'm confused as to how best to get the word out to the non-believers, especially those I love and care about, let alone complete strangers.
So when somebody rejects their belief it is seen as rejection of THEM.
They need professional help. But they'll never ask for it.
 
...Would the taking of $167 billion in stock cubes be a more feasible heist? As they often say over on LC, it's worth considering.
Aha! Now we know what stock scandals they were talking about. It wasn't the "put" options at all! That was merely a red flag put op! The FDA should have been investigating, not the SEC!
 
Looking through my notes, I realized I had never posted this. It's always nice to wake up spitting mad. I am going to do my very best to make an honest man out of this *^#$&*%%#%*&()&$)*&^$@@$%#$!$#@$^%$# called Dylan Avery.

The Edge AM – Daniel Ott interview with Dylan Avery May 13, 2006.
http://www.theedgeam.com/interviews/audiofiles.htm
Excerpts
"I started working on this project back in May, 2002, when I was about 18. The whole thing started as an accident. I was researching for what was supposed to be a fictional movie, about myself and my friends discovering that 9/11 was done by our own government. I did my research and my homework, and it turned out to be true, so it went from a fictional story to a documentary."

"That's what Giuliani did. He blocked off a crime scene and destroyed the evidence. ...and completely denied any investigators from coming in. ...nobody was allowed to go in there, nobody was allowed to look at the steel, I mean, FEMA couldn't even go in there."

"All we did was report what was reported on 9/11, and what was subsequently ignored on September 12th, and in days and months following.

"I mean, you had Peter Jennings watching the collapse of the world trade center and saying, you know, 'That looks like a controlled demolition.' "

Daniel Ott: "Dylan, does George Bush hate you for this?"

Dylan: "I would imagine he does. Well, he may not hate me for it, but I'm probably just another thorn in his side."

Daniel Ott: "Do you think you're on some kind of list now?"

Dylan: "I would imagine so. I can still fly safely, so I'm not on the no-fly list, but I'd like to imagine that I'm on some list somewhere."

Avery on the south tower: "You've got almost an intact core, and maybe a small fire inside."

Ott: "Are you suggesting that this video [version 3] is going to play in national theaters?"

Avery: "Oh, it's going to. It's already going to happen....Unlike Michael Moore's movie, we're actually going to tell the truth about 9/11."

"There's no 757 at the Pentagon. It just simply isn't there. It didn't hit the Pentagon, obviously, and there's no trace of it at the Pentagon, so where did it go? ...If you check the independent pictures and video that was shot right after the Pentagon was hit, you've got a hole that was NO MORE than 16 to 20 feet in diameter on the outside wall of the Pentagon, and that is the ONLY damage to the outside.Again, a 16 to 20 foot hole. It's kind of like the government telling us that a 757 could basically disappear into a garage door. [Emphasis is Avery's]

Daniel Ott: You know when you create a website or a DVD and you put bogus material in there where you try to persuade people in a certain direction, most people are intelligent enough to know that. And so it doesn't cut it anymore to say, 'It's an internet thing, therefore it is disqualified from the truth. Most of us know that people will instantly pick up the dubious type of information that may be presented to them."

You've got Jamie MacIntyre at the Pentagon saying, hey, there's no plane here, and you have people at Shanksville saying there's no plane here, and people just brushed it off!

'People who are in the military, and people whose lives depend on the military are not exactly going to be eager to accept this information, and I don't blame them if they aren't. I'm basically saying their bosses killed 3,000 people, I mean, that's hard for a lot of people to accept.

I think we have more people in the military and in positions of power who are on our side and aware of this information than aren't. Granted, they may not be out in public saying so, but I'd like to think if they watched our movie they'd say, 'Oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.' "

"People who attack my movie, they're not even attacking my movie, they're attacking me. There's this one, like, 50-page pdf file floating around out there, supposably [sic] debunking my entire movie, and the first three pages are basically just insulting me....These people have nothing to come back with., i mean, I'm giving you scientific, and, yo know, logic evidence, and these people are coming back with petty insults. I mean, think about that: I'm simply trying to ask honest questions of my government and why they're saying these things which obviously aren't true, and the best thing people can come up with is, 'Well, you're a stupid kid.' "

Daniel Ott: "That's not evidence."

Avery: "That's not evidence. That doesn't refute anything. It only makes my case stronger!"

Daniel Ott: "Yeah, sure does."


Daniel Ott: "People might automatically think that any 9/11 video is wild speculation, but you present evidence that is irrefutable."

Dylan: "Well, I tried to, I tried to stick to the things that were as solid as possible, and tried not to speculate. Tried to give as little answers and as many questions as possible."


Avery on building 7 "Barely even in the damage range...It wasn't hit by a substantial amount of debris."

"Oklahoma City, obviously an inside job. The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, obviously an inside job."

About the victims: "These people died on 9/11. They didn't die on these planes as we are told. There is actually some evidence that some of these people were already dead before 9/11. And again, a lot of this is just speculation. Nothing's been 100% confirmed, but these people existed, and we get 20-30 emails a day at least from people who lost relatives on 9/11, and I couldn't call them liars, I mean, that would just be ridiculous for me. The more emails I get from family members, the more I'm convinced that the passengers on these flights were more or less real, and more or less real people. The only question is, where did they go? And my theory is as good as yours, because I simply don't know."

About the planes: "I would like to think that these 4 planes are still flying around."

Daniel Ott: "What about the people looking outside the hole in the towers. I mean, if it was so hot enough to melt the beams, how is it people were waving from the impact area.?"

Dylan: "Exactly. I mean, the heat inside the twin towers was allegedly like, you know, some documentaries go so far to say that it was three times the heat of a nuclear power plant, it's just simply not possible. To even say that the heat was, you know, 1500 degrees fahrenheit, you know, that's three times your broiler, Okay?

I mean, you have Edna Cintron, which is actually the woman who is looking out the gash in the World Trade Center. I mean, this woman is standing there, I mean, she's just looking out the hole, and I mean, there's supposedly 2,000 degree inferno right behind her, and, I mean, she's able to stand here and look out this hole and wave for help. I mean, her clothes aren't on fire, I mean, her clothes aren't even singed from what we can see, "

About the 9/11 Commission: "Twelve of the scummiest people in the country."

About George Bush: "I'd like to think he's just being manipulated by his higher-ups."

"There's obviously some form of government that's controlling things that we aren't aware of."

"When millions of Americans realize that we were lied to and duped and murdered by our own government, people are going to be upset! People are going to take to the streets. And I don't want a violent American revolution, but it's probably going to happen."
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The whole thing started as an accident. I was researching for what was supposed to be a fictional movie, about myself and my friends discovering that 9/11 was done by our own government. I did my research and my homework, and it turned out to be true, so it went from a fictional story to a documentary.

So he admits to inventing the story, now ? Adolescent fantasy creates dangerous cult. Huh!
 
"I would imagine so. I can still fly safely, so I'm not on the no-fly list, but I'd like to imagine that I'm on some list somewhere."

Neat. So he can spend the rest of his life claiming he's hunted but that the conspirators don't dare touch him because he's a public figure. Bah. What an "/$(%&"&*.
 
The Edge AM – Daniel Ott interview with Dylan Avery May 13, 2006.
http://www.theedgeam.com/interviews/audiofiles.htm
Excerpts
...snip..

"People who attack my movie, they're not even attacking my movie, they're attacking me. .... These people have nothing to come back with., i mean, I'm giving you scientific, and, yo know, logic evidence, and these people are coming back with petty insults. .....'Well, you're a stupid kid.' "

Daniel Ott: "That's not evidence."

Avery: "That's not evidence. That doesn't refute anything. It only makes my case stronger!"

....snip...


About the 9/11 Commission: "Twelve of the scummiest people in the country.

....

About George Bush: "I'd like to think he's just being manipulated by his higher-ups."

"There's obviously some form of government that's controlling things that we aren't aware of."
 
Looking through my notes, I realized I had never posted this. It's always nice to wake up spitting mad. I am going to do my very best to make an honest man out of this *^#$&*%%#%*&()&$)*&^$@@$%#$!$#@$^%$# called Dylan Avery.

The Edge AM – Daniel Ott interview with Dylan Avery May 13, 2006.
http://www.theedgeam.com/interviews/audiofiles.htm
Excerpts


I'd love to hear Giuliani's take on this bit:

"That's what Giuliani did. He blocked off a crime scene and destroyed the evidence. ...and completely denied any investigators from coming in. ...nobody was allowed to go in there, nobody was allowed to look at the steel, I mean, FEMA couldn't even go in there."
 
You got it all wrong guys. They didn't got the idea from Goldfingers, Cheney took it directly from Die Hard III after having a minor role in it:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5307

After watching the LC2, the question of the gold being smuggled out of the building was bugging me, particularly how it was so similar to the plot of Die Hard 3. Then I was checking with wikipedia about the movie and under the trivia tidbits it lists this little factoid.

Dick Cheney, the current Vice President of the United States, plays a non-speaking bit part as a New York official. The director pointed him out on the DVD audio commentary.

Now I am usually loathe to use Wikipedia as a primary source, but since that info is attributed to the director in the commentary I figured it would easily quantifiable, unfortunately I don't have a copy as part of my collection, even though it does rock hard, so I could use someone's help in checking if this is true, and in what scene he appears in.

This raises an interesting question. If Cheney was indeed one of the purpetrators in this conspiracy, is this where he got the idea for the gold heist?

For those unfimiliar with the movie, a group of German terrorists hold NYC in their grip, using bombs and subsequent threats to lead NYPD on a wild goose chase to find bombs around the city, while at the same time using an explosion in the Wall Street Subway station as a cover to make off with dump trucks filled with gold bars from "your Fort Knox" located in the Federal Reserve Bank and pass through tunnels into Canada.

The fact that the WTC is only a few blocks away from Wall Street, that Cheney was in the movie and would subsequently know the plot, and that the supposed heist is eirily similar to what supposedly transpired on 9/11 raises yet another one of those annoying conincidences that surround the attack.
 
And somehow the globalists whisked away all but 230 $million worth in under two hours, undetected? No one noticed a line of dumptrucks from WTC to Canada? Are there even enough dumptrucks in the NYC metro area to haul that much in that amount of time, even assuming some perfectly effiecient loading system?

Hey, it (almost) worked in the third Die Hard! And we know Bruce Willis and Sam Jackson weren't at the WTC to prevent it happening for real, so clearly it's possible and really happened.

Edit - Ha! Obviously I'm not the only one who thought of that...
 
Looking through my notes, I realized I had never posted this. It's always nice to wake up spitting mad. I am going to do my very best to make an honest man out of this *^#$&*%%#%*&()&$)*&^$@@$%#$!$#@$^%$# called Dylan Avery.

The Edge AM – Daniel Ott interview with Dylan Avery May 13, 2006.
http://www.theedgeam.com/interviews/audiofiles.htm
Excerpts

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Need any help?
I bet there are some pretty pissed off relatives etc. whom would enjoy the chance of getting a swing of a libel/civil lawsuit kind of thing against this moron.
 
I'd love to hear Giuliani's take on this bit:

That's what's ludicrous. The idea that Giuliani had any part in any conspiracy. Rudi loves NYC, whatever you may think of him. The idea that he would be a part of any conspiracy that would bring such carnage to the city he loves is beyond absurd. If Dylan had the guts to say that to Rudi's face (he doesn't), his own face might well be torn off.

Where is Dylan from anyway? Its sure as [rule8] ain't New York.
 
You're mocked because you've made so many claims without backing them up. If you'd back up one claim, people might start listening to you instead of laughing at you. Until then, you've already shown you don't take this day in history seriously at all. For you, it's just an exciting Dan Brown novel.

There are exciting Dan Brown novels?!?
 
Dylan said:
There's this one, like, 50-page pdf file floating around out there, supposably [sic] debunking my entire movie, and the first three pages are basically just insulting me....These people have nothing to come back with.,

Lie some more Dylan. Your cult will beleive you. That's all that matters.

I think you are starting to make him sweat, Gravy.
 
That's what's ludicrous. The idea that Giuliani had any part in any conspiracy. Rudi loves NYC, whatever you may think of him. The idea that he would be a part of any conspiracy that would bring such carnage to the city he loves is beyond absurd. If Dylan had the guts to say that to Rudi's face (he doesn't), his own face might well be torn off.

I expect even someone who loathes New York would object to being accused of being guilty of/accomplice to/covering the murder of 3000+ people. At some point, someone will notice those accusations and the result will not be something that can be settled with the quick retractation of some stolen images ... I'd love to see Avery and the like* try to present their "evidence" in court in front a more than a few irate fire fighters, policemen, victim's families, politicians, etc.


* that scum Meyssan in France, for example.
 
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