Loose Change - Part II

[kalen]

There's a thread over there now about a video that apparently shows someone in one of the towers on the phone, just prior to collapse. The video is synchronized to an audio recording of the phone call and it apparently goes right up to the collapse. By the descriptions given, the last few seconds are horrific.

You can hear the squibs going off in the background right before the collapse.

Not.

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[Belz...]

Mock mock mock

It's no wonder why you can't see the obviousness of the us government's complicity in sept 11, joker.

No, he can't see it because none of you bafoons can bring any real evidence to us. You're just slapping one another in the back and eating chips and drinking beer while claiming to work for democracy...

From your link:

A Grand Master Chess Player can think 20 or more moves deep- in essence calculating a Googol of possibilities in his or her mind before making a move.

I hope it's "in essence", because otherwise the author doesn't have a clue what a googol is.

 

[Belz...]

Yeah, but I discredited myself just enough, by not remembering your previous post, to make it appear that I didn't. That's why I get paid the big socks.

Bastard. That's what I get for beign the blunt instrument around here.

 

[hellaeon]

I was reminded of Russel Crowe in a Beautiful Mind, or Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory. I wonder if he has clippings from newspapers plastered all over the walls of his apartment?

Well they are the CTers heros. I actually registered over there. Why I dont know. Ill see how long I can last without being insulted by someone for being blind.

Hey do we have a ranking board somewhere for the globalists here?
I want to know my efforts to silence the plebs out there dont go unnoticed.
And I want my socks.

 

[XXX]

On a off topic, just got finished watch their newest "great" 9/11 movie, "Take Back 9/11". Nothing new here, same old rehashing about the towers falling at near free fall and everything else. They show the towers falling and repeat an audio clip over and over again set to some music that talks about fascism or something. It's really quite annoying and detracting.

Plus, they don't even get into 9/11 until about 28 minutes in.

 

[Belz...]

Some more highlights from "whistleblower" Richard Andrew Grove.

it explains that oil is not a fossil fuel, and not in danger of running out. But I digress…*

You also look like a fool, Andrew. So, what ? Does he even know what fossil fuel means ?

For me, it became obvious, only a few moments after the South Tower explosion, that the personnel and vehicles I was observing at Ground Zero were not there to help rescue people.*

Mind-reading. Gotta love it.

Perhaps someone with Patriot Act Authority went to my landlord who helped them gain entry. Interestingly enough, when we were forced into exodus in 2003...

Gotta go with WildCat on this one. The guy needs help. Preferably in the form of pills.

It started with American Express. Although I had a verbal agreement with them to pay in full the expenses which I had been left hanging with after an abrupt termination, my account was closed; and they called for me to pay off my card, in full, immediately.*

There's something terribly wrong with someone's cerebral cortex when that person thinks EVERYONE is out to get him. How does someone get that far ?

In August 2003, I found out that one of my clients, DynCorp was engaged in the international sex-slave trade, selling women and children in various parts of the world for the purposes of prostitution, slavery, and use in snuff films; wherein they are murdered for entertainment.

Snuff films. I though that little myth had gone out of fashion.

Search on the “United Nations +DynCorp” and you may find that DynCorp was convicted of having sold over 200,000 women and children through this black market slave trade, and that’s only a fraction of the illicit business they’ve done over the past several years.

And yet no one noticed 200,000 missing Americans.

Al Qaeda is the shadow cast by elements of the intelligence community… “Al Qaeda” means the Base, and “Al Qaeda” takes its name from a database file wherein information on miscellaneous terrorists was filed for future classification.*

So... Al Qaeda doesn't really exist ? Then who's been bombing all these places in the last few years ?

Tesla-based weapons like H.A.A.R.P. leave a unique signature which differentiates their manifestations from those which occur in Nature- and if you know what to look for, you can identify man-made earthquakes, such as the Iranian quake which occurred one year to the day before the Indonesian Tsunamis.

Wow! Now all he has to do is mention JFK and the moon hoax and he'll probably win a place in the Guinness book of records as the person who believes in the greatest number of conspiracy theories... simultaneously.

specifically Dylan, Korey, and Jason because they are an excellent example of the power of a few young minds, and while they seem to be well informed, they’re also very wise for their age.

Indeed. Mr Voorhees is one wise machette-wielding individual.

They’re trail-blazers, and have produced what I consider the most palatable and widely consumable documentary of the 9-11 genre, because it presents the facts without fanfare… and it addresses sensitive topics with grace and professionalism.

That's just insulting.

September 11th, 1971: construction began on both the North and South Tower- that same day, Nikita Khrushchev died, and there was also the famous at Attica Prison, in New York. Noting that the Twin Towers were destroyed 30 years to the day after their birth.*

At least get the year right, bucko.

According to http://www.infoplease.com/spot/wtc1.html:

"...the project was approved and construction began in 1966.

In order to create the 16-acre World Trade Center site, five streets were closed off and 164 buildings were demolished. Construction required the excavation of more than 1.2 million cubic yards of earth, which was used to create 23.5 acres of land along the Hudson River, now part of Battery Park City in lower Manhattan. During peak construction periods, 3,500 people worked at the site. A total of 10,000 people worked on the towers; 60 died during its construction.

[...]

The north tower was opened in Dec. 1970 and the south tower in Jan. 1972; they were dedicated in April 1973."

Well, at least Khrushchev died on September 11th.

ETA: Clarity

 

[Belz...]

Hey do we have a ranking board somewhere for the globalists here?
I want to know my efforts to silence the plebs out there dont go unnoticed.
And I want my socks.

You get one, and you somehow have to make it into 17 before you get your number. Have fun.

 

[delphi_ote]

I hope it's "in essence", because otherwise the author doesn't have a clue what a googol is.

Chess players do not examine all of the moves. That is impossible.

Kasparov said he can calculate the potential of about 3 moves per second at best, "but they are the best moves.

http://cooltech.iafrica.com/technews/203957.htm

Ordinary players look only 2-3 moves ahead, skilled players may look 10 or even 20 moves ahead. Such players can do that because they are very good at pruning, i.e. ignoring moves that are not promising. Therefore at each step they consider very few possible moves (often only one!).

Theo Pavlidis

Asked how many moves ahead he can think, Kasparov replied that it depended on the positions of the pieces. "Normally, I would calculate three to five moves," he said. "You don't need more.... But I can go much deeper if it is required." For example, in a position involving forced moves, it's possible to look ahead as many as 12 or 14 moves, he noted.

http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathland1.html

"I could see the geometry of the board, and could see very clearly 15 moves ahead," Kasparov added. "I felt very comfortable * not as comfortable as a computer, but much more comfortable than my opponents."

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/1999/april28/kasparov-428.html

 

[Brainster]

Looks Like "They" Got Him

Some more highlights from "whistleblower" Richard Andrew Grove.
PLEEEEZE tell me this is a hoax! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!


You can reach me telephonically or by leaving a voicemail at 917-779-9215 or you can email me at Richard [at] Renaissance-Interventures {dot} com

ETA: got that frequency handy, Kenneth?

Looks like this proud voice of truth has gotten the gravy for the brain treatment:

Server not found

Firefox can't find the server at www[dot}renaissance-interventures{dot}com

Looking around for my copy of "Everything You Know is Wrong" by Firesign Theatre....

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Mock mock mock

It's no wonder why you can't see the obviousness of the us government's complicity in sept 11, joker.

No, geggy. For once shut up and LISTEN! You've been on these forums for weeks. You've posted your drivel. We've read it, analyzed it, and rebutted it and yet you insist on running around like pre-Sullivan Hellen Keller; blind, deaf, and unable to communicate in a meaningful manner.

It's been spelled out, plain as day for you, http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56510, what your current actions represent in the world.

Stop trying to convert us like some fundementalist sockpuppet.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion on the strengths or weaknesses of specific arguments then, by all means, present them. But if you do, then pause and LISTEN and try to UNDERSTAND the answers are provided. Otherwise... SHUT THE HELL UP!

 

[ob986s]

sighs I feel sorry for you people...

Read this...

http://www.freewebs.com/abigsecret/grove.html

This is serious...!!

I can't believe I did it but for fun I scanned geggy's article, when quite a few firms were mentioned that I have worked for or competed against I actually read the entire thing.

All I can say is, wow, what a nut bag.

Software that does predictive failure analysis being able to tell the future? WTF? I would never, before today, have believed that someone could be so deeply insane as to have their corporate marketing literature actually woven into their psychosis. Absolutely amazing.

Companies buying DR solutions prior to 9/11 because they had advanced knowledge? I guess Y2K never happened, or (and CT’ers please give me proper credit if you run with this one) was the whole Y2K thing just a ruse to give these companies an excuse for building these DR Solutions?

Enterprise financial software being an elaborate ruse to steal trillions of dollars as well as launder billions from sex slave and drug sales?

I guess I should add that since I have many of those same customers, have sold DR, ERP (enterprise financial software) , PFA and just about every other major IT Solution that I must be now officially a Globalist. Cool, I have read this entire thread and now that I am a gloablist shill I am happy to have contributed

 

[JamesB]

Apparently the domain does exist. Someone should send him an e-mail and see if he is getting proper treatment.

Registrant:
Renaissance Interventures
Richard Grove
34 Jefferson St Box K
Manchester, CT 06040
US
Email: richard@renaissance-interventures(dot)com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER(dot)COM, INC
Registrar Whois...: whois(dot)register(dot)com
Registrar Homepage: www(dot)register(dot)com

Domain Name: renaissance-interventures(dot)com

Created on..............: Sun, Feb 23, 2003
Expires on..............: Fri, Feb 23, 2007
Record last updated on..: Fri, Feb 24, 2006

 

[R.Mackey]

Unless you can explain how the Taliban infiltrated the secure vaults under the World Trade Center and stole hundreds of billions in bouillon, why the owners of that Bullion are keeping quiet,

Wha-haa??? Are you daft?

Even ignoring the other multiple pages of sheer lunacy, let's see... September 2001, $300 an ounce, 31.1 grams to the troy ounce... Just one measly "hundred of billions in bouillon" works out to 10,300 metric tons. That's over 2% the mass of a WTC tower, and 7% of all the gold mined since the dawn of time.

I mean, that other theory about the towers being built out of C4 was bad enough -- you'd build them out of ruddy gold!

Haven't you people ever seen Goldfinger? Here's a tip: If your insane theories are too incredible to pass muster in an Ian Fleming novel, they're probably too insane for the real world.

So, geggy (assuming that you're not Mr. Grove, or that you and he were taking hits off the same sheet of acid when he came up with this), I'd like you to explain, in complete sentences, exactly what you found so credible and compelling about this *ahem* theory to compel you to share it with us. I am far more interested in the answer to this question then in receiving another, equally splatter-brained, theory.

Thanks!

 

[CptColumbo]

Let me welcome all the new bloods to the forum, and encourage you (no matter where your beliefs fall) to look at some of the non-LC related threads (if you haven't already). For those who are suprised at how quickly we prove or disprove a theory, it may be enlightening. It will also show you that we don't just pick on LC supporters.

 

[CptColumbo]

As much as I like a good mystery (especially a certain cigar smoking TV detective), real life is rarely like a mystery story. The likeliest explanation is usually the correct one.

 

[Gravy]

...Even ignoring the other multiple pages of sheer lunacy, let's see... September 2001, $300 an ounce, 31.1 grams to the troy ounce... Just one measly "hundred of billions in bouillon" works out to 10,300 metric tons. That's over 2% the mass of a WTC tower, and 7% of all the gold mined since the dawn of time...

Yeeeessss. "Loose Change" at least had the "sense" to limit this theft to $167 billion, or 56% of all the gold reserves in the world as of Sept. 2001. This theft was accomplished between the time of the first plane impact and the south tower collapse.

 

[money]

Yeeeessss. "Loose Change" at least had the "sense" to limit this theft to $167 billion, or 56% of all the gold reserves in the world as of Sept. 2001. This theft was accomplished between the time of the first plane impact and the south tower collapse.

Wait a minute.... What? I read your guide and didn't notice that bit of manure.

Or are you talking about their first version of the film?

Wasn't the time between first impact and fall less than an hour and a half?

 

[Gravy]

Wait a minute.... What? I read your guide and didn't notice that bit of manure.

Or are you talking about their first version of the film?

Wasn't the time between first impact and fall less than an hour and a half?

It's in my guide, near the very end. Read how they found gold in an empty dump truck!

It's one of the top few stupidest claims they make, but it gets almost no attention, I think because people are so exhausted by the cavalcade o' ignorance that they're numb at that point.

 

[JamesB]

I discussed it too at screw loose change, although I have to give a hat tip to gravy for bringing up the issue.

 

[money]

It's in my guide, near the very end. Read how they found gold in an empty dump truck!

It's one of the top few stupidest claims they make, but it gets almost no attention, I think because people are so exhausted by the cavalcade o' ignorance that they're numb at that point.

Huh, there it is, pgs 113-115. You're right, I think my eyes must have just glossed over that (gold) nugget...

The crux of this part of Avery's CT hinges on what even he describes as a rumor!

From LC (via Gravy's butt-whooping) "Rumor has it that over $160 billion dollars in gold were stored in the World Trade Center."

And somehow the globalists whisked away all but 230 $million worth in under two hours, undetected? No one noticed a line of dumptrucks from WTC to Canada? Are there even enough dumptrucks in the NYC metro area to haul that much in that amount of time, even assuming some perfectly effiecient loading system?

Note: I'm just asking questions.